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Hi Nat. The problem though is that I don't think it's just a matter of one user against the community. I admit that I am not very familiar with this debate, however I tried to look at various places where this issue was discussed, and I got the impression that no consensus existed. First of all, the debate was fragmented, with different polls taking place on different pages, with different formats, etc, so it was hard to tell what exactly people were pronouncing themselves in favor of. However, this in itself I think is a problem. I think there should be a discussion on the talk page of the specific article to see how its active users feel specifically about this move. In that case, if the majority favors the move and only one obstinate user refuses to budge, the move can be made, as indeed consensus does not require unanimity. However, looking at past discussions, multiple users expressed an opposition to moving the British monarchy page, and although Thor was the most vocal, among those in favor of the move, also only two users actively pushed for the move. But as I've said, I only looked at this debate today, and I might be wrong. TSO1D (talk) 04:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I tend to agree Nat, Tharky seemed to mainly be upset with the idea of the British page being lumped with the other 'Commonwealth realm' pages; as though he felt it was a sneaky way of making the 16 monarchies appear as equals (which legally, they are). Most regrettable, that he couldn't resolve his 'ownership issues' concerning British related articles. GoodDay (talk) 16:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The infobox is a standard format which is required on all election articles, and "this information is already present in the article" is not a valid reason to remove it as the whole point of an infobox is to provide a quick overview summary of the article's content. If you don't like it, you're perfectly welcome to go to WP:CWNB and try to build a consensus for the position that Canada should be somehow exempted from using the same templates as other countries even though there's nothing about the Canadian electoral context that would actually require an entirely different infobox format. But you don't have a personal prerogative to override Wikipedia standards just because you don't like them. Bearcat (talk) 01:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, did you lock the Michael Redd page before over an edit war? It is unlocked now, but I ask that you please lock it again. The people are at it again. The one makes the changes that I think are correct, which would be to not have the citations, and he has left his reasoning on the discussion board. The other one keeps reverting edits without reading the rationale in the discussions. I was hoping you could look into this.
Thank you.
198.150.94.139 16:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I would like to know on what basis you blocked this editor? Edit warring is bad but blocks should be used as a last resort. Editors subject to them (especially in cases such as these where no warning was given first) are usually offended and it can result in us losing valuable contributors. On reviewing it I'm sorry to say your block appears to me misguided and heavy handed to me. You treated in exactly the same way someone who reverted 4 times removing sourced material from an article as the person who did so only 3. While I agree that 3RR is not a license to revert three times, blocks of people who have not broken the rule should be exercised carefully, especially when dealing with a long term contributor. At the very least I would have expected you to leave a message explaining politely why you felt a block was in order when he had not broken the 3RR rule rather than leaving him only an automated Twinkle message. I think you could resolved this matter much better and created a lot less ill feeling had you talked to Jeffpw and reminded him that edit warring (even that short of 3RR) should be avoided rather than hitting him with a block, which is an indelible mark on a contributor's record here. There is an element of diplomacy to being a good administrator - those who feel they have been treated unfairly by those with power over them will understanbly feel resentful. WjBscribe 13:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind message on my talk page. It was unexpected, and certainly welcomed. For my part, this incident is over. Please believe me, though, that I truly thought I had followed policy and had not violated the rules. This was a learning experience for both of us, it seems, so maybe some good has come out of it. I see you've just recently become an admin. Your communication with me on my page shows me you have the necessary qualities to do a good job of it. It is certainly something I would never attempt. I am a good contributer, but don't think I would have the patience to do your job well. So, hats off to you.
When my partner in this incident returns, I will definitely discuss the changes on the talk page further and not engage in any sort of edit warring--not out of fear for blocking, but because these sorts of incidents just lead to stress for everyone, and Wikipedia is supposed to be a joy. I will also leave a message on his page apologizing for my part in this.
Once again, thank you, and I look forward to interacting with you--in a more positive way--in the future. Yours sincerely, Jeffpw 11:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The user that you unblocked for a username change did not follow the instructions on changing their username properly. Instead, they created a new user account for themselves, (see [2]), and then reposted the previously deleted content of the IMC-OnAir userpage at User:ElJay Arem (which I G11'd again). I'm not really sure how to proceed since you were the unblocking admin and I've never handled an unblock request before. I would really appreciate it if you could let me know what to do. Thanks! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I temp full protected your page due to the mass amount of attacks. Feel free to put it back to normal when you want. Kwsn (Ni!) 03:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
To be honest I did have doubts after making the block. We do allow editors to do whatever they like in the sandbox, but it seems to me that the editor was disrupting the sandbox to prove a point. The constant blanking, adding "xxx eats poop" randomly and so forth were symptoms of this. I've unblocked since it wasn't vandalism in the main namespace, but to be honest if he had vandalised anywhere else he would've received an immediate block. Graham87 04:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that you blocked the China article already, but I think there is some editing that needs to be fixed. First, there is a user that changed "mainland China" to China proper, which as you know, it is a historic term used by western historians, not a substitute for the original term. I think it is best to revert the sentence back to the older version (below).
Second, the "etymology" section has too many unreferenced and newly added materials added by user Aranherunar, I think it would be best to revert to the original version as well (below).
Could you also rv the names of China article back to older version as well, before the vandalism by the likes of User:Fueglao and the massive new edits by User:Aranherunar. It really needs a lot of copyedits and references. Thanks! I know that you are busy, but a response would be great, I was hoping that you could help with the edits.--TheLeopard (talk) 02:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
how did you do that thing to the pics on the land camera article? I added two pre-uploaded SX-70 photos and want them in those little frames... Landcamera900 (talk) 23:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey Nat, just checking to make sure you're not stressed out. It seems like someone was being very impolite to you and your mom. I think you should semi-protect your talk page and perhaps file a checkuser request because I feel that a few editors are behind this from how they word their comments. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Happy Holidays too! (I reverted to anther version your talk page I didn't know you are online) -- AdrianTM (talk) 03:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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Heay Nat, do you know who I'm? Guess, one of your neighbors... Seems you got lots of enemies here, good luck man. Tionqo (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Nat. I'm wondering if you can semi-protect Taipei 101. Recently there are several anonymous users vandalizing the page, and that is not good for a GA. Thanks!--Jerrch 21:07, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
He's not just adding his crap, he's also deleting my comments[3]. We already know who he is and he's banned, just revert him, block him, and ignore him. Why nobody has blocked him yet, I do not know. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
How can I check a sockpuppet without having to make a complicated checkuser case? For example in this instance User:EU_01 I'm almost 100% sure it's a sockpuppet of user:Bonaparte, the guy is obsessed with changing numbers about Romanian economy and this account is new and didn't edit anything else. Do you have any suggestion, is there a quick edit template for checkuser/sockpuppets? Sorry for bothering you. -- AdrianTM (talk) 06:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if you could help with The Rape of Nanking (book). I'm trying to make an FA push - it's not been nominated yet, but it's listed for peer review. One editor insists on inflating the article with criticism of the book when plenty of criticism was already offered and the article was in a balanced state.[4] Please take a look and see what you think. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
((Blockedsockpuppet|Peter zhou))
(or just any tag, really!)I beg you, please tag the socks when you indef block them! I spent 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back checking all the socks found by Checkuser, to see whether or not they were already blocked ;) -- lucasbfr talk 12:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
By the way, your link to "sysop" is not working, it should probably be [5] :) -- lucasbfr talk 14:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I got a message on my talk page from an editor who is involved in a content dispute on Christianity in China. I am not involved in any dispute, so I feel quite weird getting a message. But anyway, I looked at the page and it seems like editors are edit warring. Since you are an admin, can you look into the dispute and do something about it (protection may be needed, in my opinion)? Thanks. Chris! ct 20:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your questions in my currently on-going RfA. I would like to inform you that I have indeed answered your questions and would be happy to see what you think to my responses. Thanks, Jhfireboy Talk 23:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I copied your comment and my reply from the 3RR notice board:
Thank you, Nat. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey Nat: Did you get my last message? I'd appreciate it if you could respond to it. IronDuke 15:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I have just had a look at this situation and I have to say that I am amazed at the stance to you have taken with regards to this.
R. friend was in conflict with Domer48 and then R. friend revert to "his version" and blocks Domer48 without warning or an official report or without anything said to any of the editors on "his side". Surely this is not the correct procedure that an admin in conflict with another editor should take.
Domer48 should be unblocked, R. friend should have a sever wrap across the knuckles and then if needed an official report should be filed to determine if any blocks are warranted. I hope you have time to look at this situation with a fresh pair of eyes as it seems pretty unjust to me. regards--Vintagekits (talk) 17:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Page protection for that article is problematic. As you can see from the article history, other editors have been making edits to the article as well, notably User:Binksternet and User:Appletrees. By all means, if I make the same revert again anytime soon, block me. But don't punish those other editors because of an edit war between me and Saintjust, let them improve the article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
why'd you delete A City Warning? They meet WP:BAND. They have a RECORDING CONTRACT therefore they are notable. Afd if you must. City warming (talk) 12:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I assume anything we find on Wiki is ok to use on Wiki given the licensing. I thought you had something pretty cool, especially the links to the statistics. I'm still not sure how it all works. The bottom three icons are a mystery to me. Thanks again for fixing it. Readin (talk) 14:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Noting that you had blocked him for civility issues arising out of edit-warring, I thought maybe you might want to take a gander at some rather uncivil statements made in both article edit summaries (1), article discussions (2) and his user talk page (3, 4) before accusing me of harassment (5, 6, 7, 8) . I think maybe he's just having a 'wrong side of the bed week', but the comments seem to have moved beyond simple dissent and straight on the uncivil and personal attack side. Your thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I reverted your edits in regards to this organization. It's not a full University, and thus doesn't qualify for inclusion where you've tried to place it. That's why places likes University College of the Fraser Valley aren't listed for example. GJ (talk) 05:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
It's not listed here. GJ (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Just a question about 3RR.
1) If I edit text (not an undo) that had been stable for days, on a page and
2) another editor reverts my edit. (that editor had not made any edits to the page in several days)
3) I later revert his edit.
Is my first edit considered a revert? (#1 above)
Could you please change the main article's featured article image to Image:Tikse monastery.jpg since this image is clearer, less blurry, more appealing and shows the same subject. Thanks. Nikkul (talk) 04:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi. The reason for protecting Jesus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is not readily apparent. Could you point out the dispute in question? Thanks. --B (talk) 20:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, the edit-warring has resumed. FYI. Avruchtalk 23:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello- thank you for protecting the page. However, you've done so on a bad version- Juanholanda had recently added some OR material which, while being a valid assessment, is sourced only to scripture (and therefore can be considered to be unsourced in the manner presented). This isn't pressing, but Juanholanda is endorsing only one viewpoint (as you could probably see, he continues to deny the ambiguity of the word commonly translated as "brother"- a word which, even in English, has several possible meanings.--C.Logan (talk) 06:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I see. Sorry for not informing you. If you see fit to protect it again, please do. bibliomaniac15 19:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Since you protected the page, I thought you should be aware that I have requested unprotection for Jesus. Thanks! Vassyana (talk) 06:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi. You offered him a conditional unblock. Since then I have been in discussion with this user, mainly on his talk page. I wondered if you could come and leave a message clarifying some things. The user appears to think that as he has moved house, he is allowed to create a new account, I have explained that this is block evasion, but the user disagrees. I am not sure what course of action should be taken on the new account, or existing. Thank you. Tiddly-Tom 15:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for you time and understanding! pedro gonnet - talk - 04.01.2008 09:39
Hi,
I made some changes to the article called "The Republic of China" to make it more politically neutral. I understand that trying to call Taiwan a country is your poilitical position, but according to the rules of The Wikipedia, the articles here should be neutral and impersonal. Most of the countries (at least 170 out of 190) recognize Taiwan as a part of PRC and the Republic of China as history. So please, respect the opinion of International community and my time also.
Thank you, Anmiol (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Nat:
Please know that I’m not trying to antagonize you in any way, but I am concerned about your recent lifting of the [12] block of Pedro Gonnet, especially the edit summary where you wrote that admin B had used “a punitive measure rather than a preventive measure”. I’ve looked at it, and I can’t see how you’ve come to that conclusion, or why it is that you unblocked Pedro (and please note, I am not asking for you to overturn your unblock). Pedro has been here over a year, and just recently filed a 3RR report himself [13], so it isn’t that he’s unaware of the policy.
Sometimes I’ve seen people unblocked from a 3rr block with a summary along the lines of “User promised to be good”, but I don’t see him doing that here at all. Oh, in fact, as I’m in the middle of composing this note, I see that Pedro has gone right back to edit-warring on the page, making the same edit he was blocked for reinserting: [14].
I wouldn’t even bother you with this, but I’m concerned that in the area of Israel/Palestine edits, both sides need to be treated equally, otherwise it just ratchets up the tension. Thanks for your attention. IronDuke 16:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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