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Hi Rex Germanus,
this map as one and the same coloured area for East Flemish and Brabantian. This is contradicting articles.
Kind regards, Sarcelles 14:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I have fixed the maps.I hope you 're satisfied.
Rex 14:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
there remains the question whether parts of Germany should be included. These are included in both Limburgish language and Zuid-Gelders articles. Either should Germany included on both the maps and the articles or in neither one.
Kind regards, Sarcelles 14:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I know what you mean.I don't think parts of Germany should be included, not on the modern maps at least. Rex 14:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC) Rex 14:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
the problem is however that there are - at least in this Wikipedia - no names for the varieties in Germany. Kind regards, Sarcelles 13:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Nice. :) That one needed badly to be translated. ¦ Reisio 17:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Please don't revert moves like that of history of Dutch again. There are many other language histories that are don't use the overly long format and it's completely unneccessary since there is nothing that "history of <language name>" can be confused with since <language name> refers to a noun, not an andjective. Articles are called "XXX language" only to disambiguate them from "XXX people". That's why articles like Hindi, Urdu, Esperanto, Latin and Inuktitut don't use the "language"-disambiguator.
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I've temporarily blocked you from editing wikipedia. This is your third block for violating the three-revert rule. Please do not edit by reverting; work toward consensus on the talk page. This block is for 31 hours; if further blocks are neccessary they will likely be longer. Tom Harrison Talk 17:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I see that you've changed "Flemish" to "Dutch" and "Walloon Language" to "French". I think that change is wrong. BRT is a Belgian organisation, so Flemish and Walloon are the correct terms. Comments here please... Unsigned comment by User: John259
The VRT broadcasts in Dutch, not Flemish, and there is no tv stations that broadcast in walloon either. Rex 20:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC) THIS IS AN ARCHIVE!!!
Please remember to be civil in edit summaries as well as on talk pages: edit summaries like "none of the states save France and Germany" what the *@#$! does that mean?! and get me out of this? You get yourself into pointless arguments time and again.If you cant take it just bugger off don't appear to be very civil. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I've just seen your comment left for me regarding the talk page for the above-mentioned article. You must know very little about IP addresses if you can imagine that User:66.56.217.48 and User:81.159.253.188 could possibly be the same individual. I noticed that you had removed perfectly legitimate comments by another user which did not constitute personal attack or any other breach of Wikiquette sufficient to justify deleting comments you happen not to agree with, and felt I needed to point out your error. I know however that you are someone with a particularly foul and often irrational temper, and since this is hardly an issue which I'm inclined to lose much sleep over, I'm content to leave it at that, apart from saying that you might like to check out the definition of slander. Best wishes and all that. 86.135.110.128 23:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
BTW, you have way way violated the 3RR rule and I have duly reported you. Str1977 (smile back) 16:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
THIS IS AN ARCHIVE!!! Those Merovingian "See also" sections are superfluous and ugly, so I'm removing them. I am opposed to your attempts to put a certain (less than significant) modern nation (the Netherlands) into every article related to the region on which that nation sits today. Srnec 21:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Srnec. Your edit to Frankish Empire is a clear case of WP:POINT, and your insistence on adding History of the Netherlands to articles on Frankish kingsblindly is ridiculous. What does Chilperic of Aquitaine have to do with the Netherlands ? I have removed all national history articles from the See also section of the relevant articles. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
The "See also" sections have long been superfluous and ugly, that's why I removed them from the articles Clovis I and Childebert I before you ever touched them. I was planning all along to remove them from all Meroving kings. You can check edit histories to verify this.
I have no anti-Netherlands bias, nor a pro-French or German one. I only see historical fact and you see what you want to see. The Netherlands arose out of Germany (w/i the Holy Roman Empire) at a much later date than the breakup of the Carolingian realm (see Talk:Frankish Empire. I called the Netherlands "less than significant" because it only arose in the sixteenth century as a separate nation and therefore is much younger than either France or Germany and has only had a significant part to play in European or global affairs intermittently, unlike France or Germany. Nobody has claimed that "Germany + France = Western Europe," but who made you dictator of Wikipedia, able to nip contrary opinion in the bud? Srnec 17:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you should read my arguments before responding. See Talk:Frankish Empire. I never claimed that the Netherlands were born out of nothing nor did I deny their role in European and world history. Germany predates 1871, see Talk:Charlemagne. Srnec 17:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
You state that "The Netherlands did not appear out of nothing." If not referring to me, why bring it up? That's intellectual sloppiness or worse. Srnec 18:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC) THIS IS AN ARCHIVE!!!
Why state a fact I never disputed? Again, sloppiness or worse. Srnec 18:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
But it is. Quoted from Seventeen Provinces:
Note that the Holy Roman Empire was the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation at this time. Srnec 00:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
My god you're unbelievable? How many times do I have to tell you? The Holy Roman Empire isn't Germany!
From the article itself:
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Rex 09:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Who's unbelievable? All you quote is irrelevant. The fact is that Germany predates 1871, indeed began in 843 and this I have supported with more detailed arguments before (see Talk:Charlemagne). I will not continue this absurdity any longer, I have never, not even once, equated Germany with the Holy Roman Empire'. Srnec 03:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Germany does indeed not predate 1871. What does predate it are the Germans and their culture.Germany doesn't. "I will not continue this absurdity any longer" Great, if you will stop your absurdity I don't have to respond to your absurdity anymore. Rex 08:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Greetings,
I would suggest that you do not try to appropriate an article for yourself ; in the case of Charlemagne, it seems to so happen that a majority of users think that mentionning France and Germany is not innappropriate. If you have issues with this, I suggest that you use the talk page to draft a wording that would satisfy everybody.
In any case, taunting your fellow users is neither appropriate nor constructive.
Thank you in advance for your understanding. Rama 11:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
You seem to miss the point, I have no problem with mentioning France and Germany, I object to the fact that they are solely mentioned. Rex 11:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
With the exception of Italy, all of the Carolingian Empire was part of East or West Francia at the time of the Treaty of Mersen in 870. Burgundy separated itself eventually. Thus, there's only four kingdoms which grew out of the Carolingian Empire. Three of them remained united in the Empire (East Francia, Italy, Burgundy). East Francia is called Germany and West Francia is called France after the end of the Carolingians. Let's try to illustrate how certain nations, like the Netherlands or Andorra or the Czech Republic, can be excluded from the direct Carolingian inheritance:
Rex 21:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Nobody is talking about mere Frankish heritage. Of course the Netherlands have Frankish heritage. We're talking about the formation of states and the Netherlands, as a state, have less direct connection with any Frankish state. You make the error of thinking that "Netherlands = area in the Low Countries", but one is a modern state and the other is a geographical expression. The Netherlands cover an area in the Low Countries, but they are more than that and not the same thing. Try to make this distinction between geography and history. Srnec 21:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I am not confusing history and geography, I suggest you read a bit on the Low Countries.If we are talking about the formation of states I only see the formation of East, West and Middle Francia. What do you see? Rex 21:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you happen to see a West and East Francië today? Rex 17:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
The name of West Francia changed to France over time and East Francia was united politically to the Holy Roman Empire (in the fifteenth/sixteenth century) and then dismantled in 1806 only to be resurrected in 1871, dismantled again in 1945, and resurrected again in 1990 as Germany. Both nations have lost some territories and gained others and gone through political revolutions: but the territories were lost from something and the revolutionaries tried to change something. It is that something which is the nation of which we speak (France or Germany, West or East Francia). Srnec 20:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
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