I admire your fortitude in dealing with the Connolley wolfpack. I once chuckled when a friend stated that he wouldn't reference Wikipedia even as a last resort (ironically, this friend is a devout liberal, bordering on the radical). I loved this site for its vast interlinked content, and often found my browser filled with so many Wikipedia tabs that the titles could no longer be read. I presumed that truth must surely always prevail, with each article finding an equilibrium based on sanity. Then I discovered the Global Warming talk archives, which are really nothing short of terrifying. I now understand my friend's statement, and I shudder to think of kids using Wikipedia while doing their homework.
To see these people manipulating the guidelines to further their own agendas, and even breaking rules without fear because they know they are among the protected few, is so incredibly demoralizing. Every time I see another example, I have thoughts of documenting it and building a case against them, but I am immediately overwhelmed by the prospect of taking on such a well-entrenched group of loyalists. Their wagons are circled so tightly as to create a sense of defeat before one even begins to try and introduce reason. What a sinking feeling! I truly believe the creators of this site would not abide by my being made to feel this way, but they simply cannot monitor every little clique that develops a stranglehold on individual articles and issues. Basically, the Wiki-beast has become too big to be controlled. So-called moderators are not the answer, because they are the very people in collusion to silence those they disagree with.
I think what is missing here regarding global warming is a counter-voice which is as militant as that of the POV pushers. The problem is, those folks with no agenda to advance don't tend to feel the need for militancy; having nothing to fear, they are docile. On the other hand, the global warming crowd has taken on their movement with military, and even religious, zeal. They have much to gain by promoting this agenda, according to their world-view.
Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that your efforts are appreciated. I wish I had your patience. I only wish their were more like you; Wikipedia is essentially a lost cause at this point. I view each article through newly opened eyes, and have begun to see the blatant bias in more areas than just global warming. There are many similar wolfpacks on this site, just with different focal points, and different Alpha males leading them. It doesn't take much to collect a following of staunch defenders, as we've seen here. --64.222.222.25 05:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
"Small" has been discussed at great length. There were previously citations there (Oreskes, among many others) but those were deemed unnecessary. This edit is against the consensus, and I have removed it. Raul654 04:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Please do not issue inappropriate warnings to other users as you did at User talk:Raul654 and User talk:Voice of All. Issuing such warnings is seen as disruption and you may be blocked from editing wikipedia if you persist in it. WjBscribe 00:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Tj, then leave a *note* on his talk page about it, not a generic template. Most template warnings are inappropriate to use with an established editor - admin or not. The templates are meant to inform about policies, and an established editor is highly likely to be familiar with them. WJB didn't use a template above, for instance, but typed out a message. Gimmetrow 00:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, is there any way I could persuade you to remove the Quaternary reference from the end of the sentence regarding the dissenting scientists?[2] Quite frankly, I find the idea of citing that paper as a way to justify any wording that describes the number of scientists to be asinine, and I think you agree. It took a long time to get the OWNers to accept its movement, and now you've freely given back that hard fought ground.
I do believe I understand your reasoning, that the citation demonstrates how shaky their position is, and I agree that it does, but the reality of this situation is that they are simply going to leave the citation regardless. Having found the need myself to rectify some incomplete references, I am of the opinion that the OWNers don't think anyone is going to check source material -- they trust that the casual reader will take comfort in the reference number itself, and they are probably right in most cases.
Those additions I felt compelled to make have illustrated to me on no uncertain terms that the GW article is politically driven, in spite of all the howls from the OWNers to "stick to the science." There is no other explanation for the fact that those aspects of source material that could be seen as negative from their perspective are almost always omitted. This can only be deliberate, since they have clearly read those sources and will therefore have seen those negative points, yet chose to not reference them completely and neutrally.
So, while I agree with you in general, the fact remains that nobody is going to remove that citation just because it is completely inappropriate and nonsensical. The net result is that the casual reader will take it at face value and believe that the little bracketed number must confirm the statement. In other words: we lose.
Please consider the big picture. I am most likely going to quit visiting Wikipedia soon, let alone editing it, because I just don't have the time or patience to dedicate to policing the POV-pushing article OWNers. But I'd like to see that mind-boggling reference removed permanently before I run screaming from this politically driven "encyclopedia." Thanks for reading. --Triple-Deuce 20:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I dont know if you read it, but the sentence that you edited twice today is subject to a 1RR restriction (there is an in-line comment and one on the talk.) I dont know if that counts as a violation (to violate 1RR you may need 2 reverts...) but I am sure that if you reverted again there will be a case for a block. Be careful. I do not agree with your edit, but I will not revert because of 1RR. Have a good one, Brusegadi 07:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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