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Welcome back. I hope your surgery went well. Maybe you can assist at the Elvis Presley page, to get that in order. There is considerable disruption with two editors mostly: Onefortyone, who has been the subject of arbcom rulings and a great disruption and user 195.... who is anonymous AOL user. I've been attempting to clean the article up and have tried to work with Onefortyone to no avail. I am afraid he is not in the editing business to make credible edits but to forward an agenda regarding celebrities including Elvis. Your balanced nature and approach to organizing a page would greatly help out. I've tried to provide an organized approach to this article so that it can be featured in August, the time of his passing. Right now it is under protection. Whatever advice you can give would help. Thanks and best wishes. --Northmeister 00:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Welcome back, take care of yourself as you recover! Don't overdo it! KillerChihuahua?!? 01:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Was, Thanks for your reply, but I am mystified by your response. I was involved in that article because of a history of orginal research being added to it. I think you were aware of my concerns, and you had said that you would make sure that orignal research was removed, but that it'd be better if you did so without my involvement. I took your suggestion in good faith, but it appears that the issues I was concerned about have not been addressed at all, and that the orignal research has been expanded rather than removed. Since this was your idea, I'm hoping that you can explain your understanding of the meaning of "no original research". The clearest exapmples, out of many, are the inclusion of the Centennial Expo as an example of the success of the American System, and the descriptions of 20th century economic policies as being a part of the American System? Since you have taken responsibility for the outcome, I'm sure you can tell me why this material is in the article. -Will Beback 04:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Will, what makes you think either economic policies or national economies do not evolve? WAS 4.250 09:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
There is much truth in what you have just said. I'm sure we can work together to further improve the article. Let me comment off the top of my head on your comments, so you can get an idea of what we might address first (after, North does the merge). I recommend you identify what can be improved about the article that we both agree on and save comtentious stuff for last, hoping that increased mutual understanding will grow as we work together. I am hoping North will be helpful in this process. I am expecting that he will. I am counting on it. But now, onto some off the cuff comments:
I agree enough with what you just said to not wish to dispute any of it. How about if we now take this discussion to the talk page of the article? I believe the next step is for you to identify a specific change that, after reading what I and North said, you believe helps move us forward. If you let me implement such changes, maybe we can make faster progress. (I'm hoping that will be the case anyway, but then I'd hoped for less emotion from North, too.) I think the key here is to solve every problem but where to put the content first. Then the content can be moved or retitled as needed. At any point, the work can occur on one or more sandbox pages so going live with too much stuff under the "wrong" article name doesn't have to be a problem. WAS 4.250 22:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
WAS, if I recieve an open public apology for false accusations and allegations of my political associations and for doing 'original research' by Will Beback, then we can get off to a fresh start. I think you, Will, and myself should start at the Elvis page, work to improve that - then move on to a page of his chosing - work to improve that - then move onto the American System page - where having worked together on two separate articles - work might progress with better understanding. As soon as that apology posted on his talk and my talk page, and on the American System talk page is forth coming - we can move forward. --Northmeister 02:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
WAS, I do not understand your philosphy in deleting my offer of resolution nor my comments. Have you read the actual history of Will Beback and myself? Do you understand what he is all about, where the emotion comes from? You can always contact me by email. I am unsure of what your trying to do. I am always willing to work with anyone. But I am not willing to work with someone who falsey accuses me, stalks my edits, harasses me etc. All this is documented. He is only at the American System page with an POV agenda and has offered no sources and no credible edits - and will not accept any offers of working together. I would hate to lose your help, I deeply respect wikipedia, the process, and yourself for working with me to improve the American System article and for your disposition. But until I receive an apology from Will Beback and an acknowledgment of his wrong-doing - How can I accept his credibility - I can't - due to his history and I will not accept his edits without SOURCES. --Northmeister 04:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Trusting in your honesty and intentions thus far, I will leave to you and Will Beback to work on that article for a period that you wish to set without my interference. In other words, give it a run - I request one thing - any deletions made be backed up with clear reasoning and sources indicating why. I will watch and allow the two of you to do what you feel is best - I then will comment after the time period you request. What do you say? Ps. I really am not insane, nor scary - at least I try not to be :) --Northmeister 04:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
WAS, glad that you’re back editing again. Hope that you are doing well. Today I got the meaning of your user name for the first time. Proves that the plain can be creative. : - ) I’ve been distracted by real world stuff (all good) and have not put much effort into working on Wikipedia related issues the last few weeks. Going to stay that way for the next month until my daughter goes back to college.
You've done a fantastic job working on this article with them. I’m sure that I have nothing more to add. I’ve found both Will and Northmeister to be reasonable people. That makes me hopeful that your guidance has gotten them over the hump and they can find a way to work this out. Take care, FloNight talk 23:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman, MfD debates are run for 8 days, then generally closed by an admin. This has been open FAR LESS then the normal time, and does not appear to be heading towards a speedy close. I've restored the mfd notice on Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man. — xaosflux Talk 04:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
OK. WAS 4.250 10:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Summaries like "removing section" [1] are not valid explanations. If you look at revision history you will see that FrancisTyers also didn’t offer any explanations for his edits. -- Vision Thing -- 13:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
If you want to improve the article, feel free to do so. A blanket revert that makes changes you haven't bothered looking into does not make sense. WAS 4.250 13:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
you looked into american school vs, american system? WAS 4.250 14:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
The deleted paragraph needs to either stay deleted or else be made NPOV as it is an extremest view. The other changes I don't care one way or the other. WAS 4.250 14:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style#External links for information on how and why sections with links to other websites should be named "External links" per consensus. Thank you. — Deckiller 05:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I read it. You are welcome. I find it both confused and inferior to the use of "Sources and notes" and "Further reading" as subsection headings. I chose to use what is best and not what is "recommended". WAS 4.250 05:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Which links to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ACiting_sources#Further_reading.2Fexternal_links WAS 4.250 05:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I am going to tell you this just once. If you ever again publish anything on OSINT without a reference to my web site, I am going to black ball you where it will really hurt. I consider you to be a world-class dip-shit for failing to credit my work. Robert Steele 23:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Robert Steele is a new and notable Wikipedian. His credentials are solid. He has donated $$$ to the Foundation and will be attending Wikimania 2006, but he is brand-new to the Wikipedia culture. He put a message on your user page rather than your talk page and I moved it to your talk page on his behalf (check the hist. on your user page to confirm). He is rather accomplished in the subject, but, as you may know, real-life experts can find the consensus process of Wikipedia frustrating. I also put a message on his talk page to explain why you might consider his tone to be a personal attack. What can I say? Uh, do not take it personally. Uh, WP:BITE and all that. -- 67.116.255.18 03:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Please see my comments in discussion on Forgiveness. Thanks. Ste4k 15:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
As I said on that talk page:Forgiveness is a fundamental spiritual concept found in every human spiritual community. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. Singling out ACIM is giving them undue weight. WAS 4.250 21:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC) - - - - WAS 4.250 16:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree. Thanks for your opinion. If you are interested in where the mention originally came from, please see "A Course in Miracles". If you value your sanity, on the other hand, please disregard that invitation. :) Ste4k 17:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm red-green color blind and this page is black on black to my eyes. I have to click edit to read it. If you wish to respond, please do on my talk page. It's kinda like stairs-in-the-front and a ramp-in-the-back to someone in a wheelchair. I don't feel welcome on this page. WAS 4.250 20:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Ouch! :) I have nearly the opposite problem. Normal pages, like your own, are so bright and loud with huge letters that it appears to me like everyone is shouting. I experimented with several types of font at the normal size and colors as well. Still it didn't matter much. I also tried to get other people to make their comments on top of the page, but that only seemed to anger people that were basically making personal attacks anyhow. Articles that are long don't bother me much, as long as they have pictures along the way travelling from the top to the bottom. Some of my favorites and good examples are Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman,Lou Dobbs (I think he's cute), Linked list, AVL tree (my former profession), Associated Press (former employer), Ku Klux Klan (something with lots of history and pictures that I am looking at researching soon), Marianne Williamson (an article that I rewrote that hadn't any sources). If you ever need to contact me, just leave a note, and we'll talk on your page, okay? Ste4k 21:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
You are referring to "synesthesia", but no, my eyesight is simply very poor with age and sitting in front of a screen day after day for hours on end.
Screenshot of what it looks like to me. Now some admin has made it a point to complain about my page on some talk board. It has disrupted the entire evening. I haven't seen your comments yet, but will as soon as I calm down some. Ste4k 03:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Please see Talk:A_Course_in_Miracles#Request_for_comment_suggestion. I hope that I correctly voiced your earlier concerns. Ste4k 22:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey man,
Sorry if it looks like I've been 'spamming' wikipedia. The Psychology Wiki is entirely non-profit based, none of the admins, such as myself and Lifeartist are making any money from it. Wikia, inc make money from the Google based advertising on our site, along with all the other Wikia, which seems fair enough as they are hosting us and providing bandwidth and technical support (their staff are very good and helpful). Jim Wales founded Wikia along with Angela Beesley to create new Wikis and cover their costs.
I'd prefer to be funded by a psychology Society like the APA, but we have recieved little support from them so far. Perhaps when Wikia start marketing us we will get enough contributors and notice that one day we will be able to move to a grant funded model instead of an ad funded model. I would prefer this. On the other hand, although I'm a zealous supporter of Wikipedia's free knowledge model, I haven't made a donation to the Wikimedia foundation to help support it financially. Have you?
You are right that we shouldn't threaten Wikipedias non-profit status, but I'm not in this for the money (I wish I was as at the moment I'm not sure I can make this months rent). I just need to raise the profile of our Wiki so that it will work as a free way of distributing and integrating psychology knowledge. Wikipedia editors know what they are doing already, which is why I am asking them; new users of the Psychology Wiki don't necessarily know how to contribute to it.
Hope that all makes sense... Mostly Zen 11:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
While the argument it is relevant to the people concerned is used to spam millions of people, promoting something on less than a half dozen pages is not spam. Spam says "Spamming is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited, bulk messages." "Relevent" is no part of the definition, except in as much as it informs the use of the word "abuse". It's more about repetition (quantity) than anything else. When the intent is to place something as many places as one can get away with that is spamming. You can tell what spam is from the source of the term Spam (Monty Python):
Morning.Waitress
Morning.
What have you got, then?
Well there's egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg, bacon and spam; egg, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, egg, spam, spam, bacon and spam; spam, spam, spam, egg and spam; spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam, spam, spam and spam; or lobster thermidor aux crevettes with a mornay sauce garnished with truffle pâté, brandy and a fried egg on top and spam.
Have you got anything without spam in it?
Well there's spam, egg, sausage and spam. That's not got much spam in it.
I don't want any spam.
Why can't she have egg, bacon, spam and sausage?
That's got spam in it!
Not as much as spam, egg, sausage and spam.
Look, could I have egg, bacon, spam and sausage without the spam.
Uuuuuuggggh!
What d'you mean uuugggh! I don't like spam.
Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam ... spam, spam, spam, spam ... lovely spam, wonderful spam ...
So the way things work around here is that admins can ask a volunteer a question on a talk page and then cite them for violating site policies for declining to document an assertion that was made in a talk page (not an article) in response of a direct request from an admin. An assertion that I had already declined to make in the article itself. Somehow he thinks that I am obligated to find someone else that says the same thing that I told him in order to support an assertion that he wants to add to the article. That doesn't make sense to me. Thinredline 18:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Do me a favour, do a little research before making knee-jerk reverts for "incivility". The first two comments were parodies of things Aubrey himself has hurled at others. Thanks. Jim62sch 00:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Howdy. About the last revert to the transmission article... The reports I refered to weren't training exercises. They were government reports that were trying to get a handle on how many people would be affected and how many would die in a pandemic. I could insert a direct quote to that effect, from a qualified expert, from one of the articles I quoted. I could aos provide another few references if you like. Could we put back the para, please? Waitak 00:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay, bro, over to you. Waitak 13:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to improve Bird flu in India. WAS 4.250 14:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Template:Spanish flu research has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey you! Long time no write! Hope you remember me from the Dinosaur article. Anyway, I remember you knew a thing or two about dinos, so I officially invite you to come & visit the project, which now has a collaboration going. Have a good one... Spawn Man 04:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted your edits to Colon (punctuation) concerning the use of the colon in a wiki; please see Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. Since such colon uses have little purpose outside of a wiki, it's considered a self-reference. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
So I'm curious... Why did you delete the Wilberforce Forum factoid from the Colson article? Not that it's a big deal to me. Funny that Coolasclyde is so upset about, particularly since it undermined his argument. FeloniousMonk 04:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Undue weight. WAS 4.250 12:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
How so? I don't get it. FeloniousMonk 14:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
All the edits I made to the Colson article were with undue weight in mind. The first edit was mistaken as at the time I didn't realize he founded Wilberforce and it was only the description of Wilberforce that was providing undue weight. For proper weight I copied the into from the Wilberforce article. The second paragraph deleted was unsourced as well as undue weight (I question its relevance at all actually, but a source might provide that). WAS 4.250 15:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that you're being too harsh on the additions re the Glaxo vaccine. It made the front page of CNN, and probably deserves a mention in these articles. IMHO, if you're going to call it a publicity stunt and nothing but an attempt to get a government grant, you need to back that up with references. The submitter backed up his/her contributions with references, after all... --Waitak 04:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
The references they supplied support the statements I made in my edit summaries and did not support the changes made to the articles. WAS 4.250 17:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
At the editor's talk page User talk:Rnt20 I said:
Yes, H5N1 clinical trials could be improved with details of Glaxo's H5N1 clinical trials. WAS 4.250 08:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I have responded to your comments regarding external links to wilsoncenter.org on my talk page. Thanks. -- Argon233 T C @ ∉ 22:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
If you would ever like to reintroduce your edited and properly supported version of Jim Shapiro up on deletion review, I'd be up for it. It seems like before that could be done, we'd need to address some of the concerns. Specifically, questions have been raised about whether Overlawyered is a valid source. I'm not familiar with Overlawyered one way or another, but after a quick Google session, I cannot find any refrence to the Christopher Wagner by name outside of Overlawyered or references thereof, though the other articles do reference the hammer getting "hammered". --Bletch 23:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Relax. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We are not a newspaper. We'll get it right eventually. In the short run, being careful is useful. In the long run, creating the best encyclopedia we can will prevail. WAS 4.250 00:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
DAY CALENDAR Friday, September 8, 2006 - 10:00 AM COURTROOM 1 Appeal from an order of the Supreme Court, Monroe County (Robert J. Lunn, J.), entered June 24, 2005. The order, insofar as appealed from, denied the cross motion of defendants James J. Shapiro, James J. Shapiro, P.A., and Marcia G. Shapiro, as fiduciary for the Estate of Sidney S. Shapiro (Shapiro Estate), for summary judgment dismissing the complaint against Shapiro Estate. WAS 4.250 02:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
*cough* [11]. There's an Ottawa Citizen article if you look harder (I remember it from the mid-90s). -- Samir धर्म 04:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I personally have no idea. My social studies teacher just told us to research avian influenza, aka bird flu. ~Sushi 08:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Can you please provide tighter referencing (i.e. put the reference directly after the word illegal - I realise this is not MOS), or else give the exact reference(s) on article talk page, as this is a sensitive issue? At the moment with 5 refs all in a row, it's not possible to tell which one refers to which point, unless the whole of that section is referenced by all of those equally. Thanks. Tyrenius 05:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem. WAS 4.250 07:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I just saw your revert of organizational changes I made to influenza. I understand your sentiment, but disagree. When an article requires an overhaul, it should be done boldly, as the Wikipedia Wikipedia:Be_bold guidelines state. There is no way to reorganize an article without making an apparently large number of changes. I'll redo my work, which is unfortunately going to be a hassle to incorporate all of the subsequent additions. Please don't revert it again unless you have substantive disagreements with the changes. Wipfeln 19:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Please pay attention: After my request that you respect my work on Influenza, you defied the request a second time and quickly reverted. I would like you to know that: 1) this is discouraging further productive work on wikipedia. 2) Wikipedia articles often require copy editing. My edits were quite good, constructive, and took considerable time to put together. The influenza article is worse for your actions. 3) Your patronizing, facetious comments on the history and discussion pages are not appreciated. Please try to maintain courtesy when you disagree, since, as in this instance, you are sometimes in the wrong. Wipfeln 18:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Thankyou for your kind encouragement. I really appreciate it, especially after all the hard work you have put into the article. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 04:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
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For your hard work and selfless attitude regarding Jim Shapiro Tyrenius 09:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC) |
Is there an official policy on this sort of activity? I know I ran into a similar situation in AFD a few weeks back. When looking at an author's contribs there were five sets of articles, each set clearly a set of interlocked ads, and the author had no other contribs. The subjects were unrelated to each other, so it certainly looked like a paid wikiauthor. Once the pattern was obvious, each set was AFD'ed and deleted. I was just wondering if there's a policy, or should we approach each article just like any other one, regardless of suspicions (or logical conclusions) about the author. Fan-1967 02:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Conflicts of interest created by User:Eloquence 10 August 2006 in this regard. WAS 4.250 21:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
My dear Was, all I can tell you is, I am sincerely suprised and moved that you have asked me to collaborate in your great idea. I'll be most happy to study it in detail and add my modest input as soon as I possibly can, I promise :) I hope you're doing fine, and it's great to talk to you at last! :) Hugs, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 03:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks so much!
SwedishConqueror 17:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)SwedishConqueror
Please join the new discussion at: "Paid to edit" dialogue -- MyWikiBiz 05:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! That is so nice of you, and it came at a time when it was much-needed. It has made my day. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 21:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for the message. I was thinking about the yearly pattern, in fact. It looks very much like there's a more or less sinusoidal pattern, imposed on top of a classic exponential curve. I'd love to do that analysis and include it in the graph, but that's definitely a violation of WP:NOR. On the one hand, I hate to not put such an analysis in, just because I'm the one who did it, but on the other, the policy is clear, and I don't want to violate it. What to do? Waitak 06:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for reminding me of the Conflicts of interest discussion. You seem to have a particular slant on Kohs' actions, which is fine, but it's not one that I can adopt in the article. One could just as well commend him for addressing the issue directly to the community as condemn him for seeming to back out of a deal made with Jimbo alone (he hasn't yet acted inconsistently with the deal that I can tell). That's why I simply pointed people to the discussion without editorializing about whether his conduct is appropriate. Keep in mind that he's probably not interested in setting site policy (and the Conflicts of interest page is certainly not yet policy in any case), he's trying to decide what his personal course of action will be. --Michael Snow 16:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for the support on Daniel's talk page, and taking an "outsider's" view of that article. --JohnDBuell 02:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Just seen Coral Smith. You can set your preferences to remind you to leave edit summaries. :) Tyrenius 14:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. I can assure you I am not jousting or point scoring. I am being perfectly serious in pointing something out, and I hope not being too heavy about it, as that is not my intention, nor is it related to any prior involvement, although that is obviously what drew it to my attention. I think it would help other users and may give them an angle which might not otherwise have occurred to them and which they might miss, but I'm quite happy to let it rest, now I've made my observations! Tyrenius 01:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your input on Entropia Universe :-) This annon chap has started to actually discuss things on the talk page now - and hopefully the atmosphere of the entire thing will change for the better. Just wanted to let you know how thankful I am for being part of the catalyst for it. AvanniaRayzor 20:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
You reverted my edits at Spanish flu with no explanation. I'd like one, and there's a spot to talk at the bottom of its talk page. Thanks. Fresheneesz 13:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
For defending User:Publicgirluk. I fear that she may be chased off, she has been a valid contributor to several articles. HighInBC 22:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks again for your terrific contributions to the influenza vaccine article. I feel reading it now that I know so much more about the vaccine than I did when I first read the article. Every question I had about the vaccine's history is now answered. Great work. Quadzilla99 13:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for cleaning up after me. I've no idea what went wrong. By the way, you have an impressive collection of thank-you notes here, so you must be doing great work. I like your "less open/more open" remark at the top. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 07:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Biographies of Living Persons WP:BLP requires a higher wikipedia standard since the Siegenthaler Controversy in December 2005. Articles like these involve WP:LIBEL and WP:NPOV It has been 6 months, and wikipedia still has hundreds of potentially libelious articles.
Many editors and even administrators are generally unaware of potential defamation either direct or via WP:NPOV. To help protect wikipedia, I feel a large working group of historians, lawyers, journalists, administrators and everyday editors is needed to rapidly enforce policies.
I would like to invite you to join and particpate in a new working group, tenatively named Wikipedia:Libel-Protection Unit, a group devoted to WP:BLP, WP:LIBEL and WP:NPOV and active enforcement. From your experience and/or writings on talk pages, I look forward to seeing you there. Electrawn 16:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
You know, you and I do not always agree but I think we handle our disagreements in a civil way and what is more important it is always evident to me that you are tying to be constructive. Thanks to your participation I thought we were making progress in revising one paragraph of the policy into one that more people liked more.
The John Awbrey added this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:No_original_research#Son_Of_Suggestion Do you see in this the constructive spirit of engagement that I see in your comments? I don´t. On the contrary it seems only to disrupt or undermine the progress we were making, thanks to you and GTBacchus.
Am I off base? Am I out of line? Or is Awbery? Perhaps you can comment on his suggestion. Thanks Slrubenstein | Talk 03:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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For accurately and thoroughly explicating, during the Publicgirluk photo debate and thereafter, the laws of the United States with respect, inter al., to copyright and obscenity, and for undertaking such explication toward the furtherance of encyclopedic principles and with abiding patience and exceeding cordiality, especially in view of the frequency with which United States law was misstated during the debate, Dragons flight and WAS 4.250 are to be commended. Joe 05:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC) |
Since you and DF each contributed importantly, though in the context of different specific issues, to the PG discussion with respect to legal principles, I thought it only fair that each of you receive a similarly-styled barnstar. Joe 05:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
this. I was not trolling and I believe everyone else was sincere in what they said therefore no one was trolling. I believe you committed vandalism. I urge you to put it back. Anomo 00:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Please restore my question to Jimbo. If you believe it contains "lies and distortions," I will amend any distortion and/or lie and edit my post. I do not believe I have distorted anything, nor have I lied. I am even willing to edit my post in case I have made a mistake which distorts the issue. I cannot edit my post to remove the "lies and distortions" unless you tell me what your problem is. My post is clearly so offensive to you that you believe my question must be censored from view. If the "lies and distortions" are so serious surely you can immediately substantiate the reasons for your censorhip and point out the distortions and lies in my post. If you don't do that, I'm going to post it again. And I'm just going to post the same thing again since I already reworded it once, with no direction from you, based on your complaint. That's the best I could do and I can't read your mind. -unsigned by 24.36.243.50
Feeding trolls is worse than a waste of time, it actively encourages them to continue to disrupt. However, as I often make mistakes, let us assume my responding to you here is worthwhile. In that case, please enter below whatever text that "I will amend any distortion and/or lie and edit my post" applies to and I will edit that text in order to " tell [you] what [the] problem is". Then we can discuss further or you can act on that communication in a way you think is helpful. Distorting my motives and calling thoughts (pedaphilia) behavior (abuse) is trolling. Wanting to get rich is not stealing. Finding 17 year olds attractive is not rape. Deleting misleading quotes from Wikipedia Review is not deleting because something needs to be censored. WAS 4.250 02:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
You tell me what part of what I said contains the lies and distortion, I can't read your mind. Here's the page before you erased my post [13]. You post the text here and point out what you think are my lies and distortions. If I agree I've misrepresented something or lied, then I'll change it. As for your lecturing, I don't appreciate it, and I don't need to hear it. And before you contemptuously lecture me again, I am well aware that "Finding 17 year olds attractive is not rape," I didn't intend to "call thoughts behavior." As for distorting your motives, I'm not sure where I did that, but you can point that out when you point out the other lies and distortions and I'll be happy to fix what needs fixing. You can use the DSM criteria for defining pedophilia [14], since that seems to be one of your main concerns. That way we'll both be on the same page. -by 24.36.243.50
The consensus reached in Talk:Masturbation through discussion seems to have been totally useless since anonymous users as well as user Future either insert images never discussed or delete what has been restored, notably Image:Masturbation techniques.jpg. The image itself has been deleted altogether from the data base by user JoshuaZ with the consequence that it is no longer visible in Talk:Masturbation and that the whole section of discussing the "New Image" there at Talk:Masturbation#The_New_Image has become utterly pointless. This is vandalism in a most irritating way. In the meantime, I have deleted all images in the controversial first section on the Masturbation page. If we don't have a policy for risk photos at this time, all pictures in Talk:Masturbation should be deleted for now. CarlosLuis 2:25, 6 September 2006.
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Really - Daniel Brandt inspired WP:BLP? I had thought it was inspired by the John Siegenthaler incident. Regards, EFG 01:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy gets more press play and more notice here at Wikipedia than the Daniel Brandt problems. But Daniel played a role in the former: He looked up the IP address in Seigenthaler's article, and found that it related to "Rush Delivery", a company in Nashville. He contacted Seigenthaler and the media, and posted this information on his Wikipedia Watch website. So the two are related. But BLP got its start when I read the back and forth between Daniel and Wikipedians on some talk page in December of 2005 (perhaps the talk page of the article on him, but I no longer remember exactly) and one of Daniel's comments was that living people deserve a special sensitivity. That immediately struck me an undenyable both true and important so I created a guideline/policy proposal (I thought it made a better guideline than a policy myself) with a single sentence saying exactly that and links to relevant policies and guidelines. Then I notified User talk:Daniel Brandt and User talk:SlimVirgin (the two key people involved with the debate on the article Daniel Brandt). Here is the edit where I notified Daniel (14:53, 17 December 2005): "Due to all this, I just now created Wikipedia:Biographies on living persons deserve a special sensitivity as a proposed guideline. If its a good idea, people (like you) can fill it out. WAS 4.250 18:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)". SlimVirgin fleshed it out. It was renamed and other people joined in and improved it further. It became a guideline. Jimbo asked on the mailing list why it wasn't a policy and what would it take to become one. So more modififications were made and it became a policy. People are still tweaking it for better or worse. So Daniel inspired it, I started it, SlimVirgin is mostly responsible for writing it, and its a policy because Jimbo wanted it to be a policy. WAS 4.250 09:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Originally the sub-sub-sections under Philosophical issues in Existence of God contained a breezy title with a more technical title in parenthesis; to wit : (1) What is God? (Definition of God's existence) and (2) How do we know? (Epistemology). WAS 4.250 16:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I am "just giving [you] an interesting piece of information", perhaps useful in evaluating options for titles of subheadings, perhaps not. I am very sorry that I was cryptic. It is one of my many failings. WAS 4.250 19:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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I like it! How about leaving the most current updates (all of 2006?) in the main article? Treat the other articles as archives? Waitak 02:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Works for me. I reformatted the template just a little. Feel free to change it further (or back) if you don't like it. Waitak 11:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, stop being a prat. Rebecca 01:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for the request to edit this section. I will take a look at the suggested paragraphs in the next few days. Apparent Logic 13:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Please accept the apologies of the Washington OSINT community for the threats made regarding any inclusion of OSINT without the reference to Mr. Robert Steele, or whatever he likes to be called today. Everyone, from the Director to the student has weathered these personal outbursts, and soon learns the facts. Good entertainment! User talk:ComLinks
Jimbo has restored that text once himself already. [15] Sarah Ewart (Talk) 00:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Have you read the references provided ? If WP:Living means anything, it must mean that statements must be verifiable, and meet WP:RS. Someone's opinion that a reference validates a statement means nothing, if they are prepared to conflate payment to a person with payment to an organisation; budget, and payment; and one company, with a totally different company.
I am also rather amused that you say I am pushing a POV; I have asked for statements to be verifiable, justified by the references and meet WP:RS. Is that POV ? Peroxisome 19:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. Since you erased it, I wonder what it is that you don't find ok in the "despite not having originated there nor having hit particularly this country, the Allies...". Since its name is actually misleading I think that a warning in the beginning of the article is necessary. Yes, it is implied in the rest of the article that it didn't come from Spain, however, a straight reference to this in the beginning shouldn't bother anyone, no? Thanks. Mountolive 06:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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A proposal that NOR and V be combined, and RS ditched. Your views would be most welcome. SlimVirgin (talk) 04:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Proud of you, WAS! Waitak 16:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I've removed your comment from the article and put it on the Talk page where I think you meant it to go. Apologies if this was not what was intended. --RicDod 17:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
You edited (removed a portion of) my comments on the Jamie Lee Curtis page. This is not acceptable. I'm happy to discuss any differences of opinion I may have with other editors, but I won't accept other people editing my comments because they disagree. Atom 16:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I have responded to your comments on my talk page, Jamie Lee Curtis and Nikki Craft. I am not picking a fight. I was polite but firm in setting limits. Thank you for commenting and discussing the issue. Atom 18:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
WAS, your edits are causing confidence to be lost, and people who disagree are just staying away from the page now, which means consensus is going to be harder to achieve. There is no way that a general weakening of the policy is going to be accepted. Even the pop culture exception will be hard to push through. If you try to change the policies to allow non-professional self-published self-proclaimed experts in all subject areas, then we may as well kill the proposal now. Please try to settle on the compromise position of having an exception for pop culture and throw your weight behind trying to persuade people of that, because there's significant opposition even to that. SlimVirgin (talk) 03:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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Hi there. I've had a look over your comments and tried to change the article in line with some of your suggestions. I quite understand the "revert reflex" since I've become quite attached to articles like Enzyme or Enzyme inhibitor where I've put in a lot of work and mindless vandals seem to attack constantly! Hopefully I'll be able to improve your excellent work on this page without causing any more misunderstandings. All the best TimVickers 18:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm hoping to bring this page to Featured Article standard and eventually get it through the FA nomination and review process, although this can take a long time! GA is a good first step, and with our combined expertise we should be able to progress quite quickly. Thanks again. TimVickers 23:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)