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Fails WP:GNG. Can't find any sources online, possibly redirect to National Guard of Ukraine? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 09:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Ukraine. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 09:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61559047920465), (https://www.ukrdruk.com/product/flag-00853/), (https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-ato/3888632-u-nacgvardii-stvorili-centr-upravlinna-bezpilotnih-sistem-komanduvac.html) Mgfdhsrhe (talk) 10:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• [1] - gives short description, commander, where it's based from MUN number.
• [2] - article about drone hunting group of brigade not receiving bonuses. 13:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Ceriy (talk) 13:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. A brigade is clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Is there a notability guideline which states that? LibStar (talk) 10:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Clearly an opinion based on the much mocked (by deletionists, of course) WP:COMMONSENSE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please answer the question. Which notability guideline grants inherent notability to brigades? LibStar (talk) 23:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Your tone is most unlike any admin I've encountered. LibStar (talk) 23:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. First artillery brigade of the National Guard. [3] Ceriy (talk) 20:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to National Guard of Ukraine. In the absence of a notability guideline granting inherent notability which I have asked for and received no response. LibStar (talk) 04:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. First artillery brigade of the National Guard. Article has references. Ceriy (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC) (you can not cast multiple votes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Brigade is first artillery unit of the National Guard. There are sources covering Brigade. Article is improved with sources now. Ceriy (talk) 17:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP: HEY. It appears to be a big enough unit to have its own article, and assuming the added sources are correct, then there’s significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 02:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: At a glance, this might look like consensus to keep. However, the arguments need greater specificity and should perhaps address policy more clear.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 19:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Probably notable, I found a few sources with this search: [4] After reconsidering this could probably be Merged or redirected. Lordseriouspig 20:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Lordseriouspig: Can you please link those sources? I performed the same search during WP:BEFORE and only found one site with related prose, Militaryland.net, a self published source previously discussed on RSN. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 00:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Reconsidering, this could probably be merged. Lordseriouspig 07:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge or redirect as there is no SNG that grants inherent notability and WP:NORG is not met here. I couldn't find any coverage beyond what is in the article. C F A 💬 18:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table: prepared by User:CFA
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://republic.com.ua/article/ukra%D1%97nska-armiya-formu%D1%94-novi-brigadi-2.html		Presumably	40 words of coverage that basically only confirms its existence in a listicle with 15 other units.	✘ No
https://focus.ua/uk/voennye-novosti/647504-v-ukrajini-stvorili-okremu-artileriysku-brigadu-nacionalnoji-gvardiji-shcho-pro-neji-vidomo			~ Some of the article is about the organization, but half of it focuses on a military vehicle, the 2S22 Bohdana.	~ Partial
https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-ato/3888545-brigadnij-general-oleksandr-pivnenko-komanduvac-nacgvardii.html	Whole article is a primary interview transcript with Oleksandr Pivnenko, a Ukrainian general. Ukrinform is state-owned media.		One paragraph in a long interview transcript. No secondary coverage.	✘ No
https://malva.tv/20240814/na-svitlynax-spiljna-robota-artylerystiv-okremoji-artylerijsjkoji-bryhady-nhu-ta-12-ji-bryhady-specialjnoho/		? Wordpress.com browser icon, so likely questionable reliability.	Entire article is images. No coverage at all.	✘ No
https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/prezident-volodimir-zelenskij-i-persha-ledi-olena-zelenska-v-92821	Government press release		Trivial mention	✘ No
https://www.telegraf.in.ua/kremenchug/10131868-vipusknik-kremenchuckogo-vijskovogo-liceju-oleg-golinej-otrimav-bojovij-prapor-dlja-okremoji-artilerijskoji-brigadi-ngu.html		? @gmail.com contact address, so likely questionable reliability.	Trivial mention	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using ((source assess table)).

• Comment I endorse analysis above, there isn't coverage to meet GNG or WP:ORG, thus merge/redirect looks like a suitable option. LibStar (talk) 23:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]