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The result was Draftify. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Recession[edit]

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This article is falsely predicated. A recession in United States begins only when the National Bureau of Economic Research says it has. The NBER has not said this. soibangla (talk) 12:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source on this statement? Couldn’t find anything in the United States Code or Merriam Webster saying that NBER alone declares recessions. - JoeBo82 — Preceding undated comment added 22:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeBo82, I already responded to this exact question before you asked it again. The Guardian source in the article clearly states the NBER is the official body to decide, stating, "...the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) is the official arbiter of when recessions begin and end." RS available here. --Kbabej (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty much in the article on recession anyway, [1], so there is that. Oaktree b (talk) 23:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: the article seems to be about the topic 2022 recession in the United States. With NOTNEWS in mind, there is encyclopedic content on the economic in the U.S. and academic debate over whether it is in a recession, but that is better situated at existing pages until/unless it is a consensus among economists, or declared by the NBER, or such. — Bilorv (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Ah, I see from The Signpost that I've unintentionally wandered into some far-right internet nonsense. I'll upgrade to a speedy delete or speedy draftify: just get this thing the hell out of mainspace. We shouldn't be broadcasting deliberate misinformation. (And for the record, I have no respect for Biden and the U.S. is in a catastrophic economic situation.) — Bilorv (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as placer of original prod notice. None of the sources provided claim that there is in fact a recession, and I could not find any that stated so. ... discospinster _talk 15:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 2021–2022 inflation surge per my comment on the talk page. Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 16:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC) Delete per below. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 20:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It should not be redirected. A recession has not been declared and Wikipedia should not provide any suggestion it has been. Let's not get ahead of our skis. soibangla (talk) 16:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I was under the impression that a recession had been declared. I've updated my comment. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 20:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• DO NOT DELETE The United States is in a Recession. If this article is deleted, it will only serve as yet another example of the strong maxis bias of WikiPedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjsmith11 (talk • contribs) 00:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mjsmith11, please provide a reliable source that reports the US is in a recession. soibangla (talk) 00:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

soibangla (talk), why don’t you provide a source that two quarters decline is not one of the definitions for a recession. - JoeBo82 — Preceding undated comment added 01:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

JoeBo82 That's not how it works. The burden is on the one making the claim / creating the article to provide reliable sources backing it up, in this case that there is in fact a recession in the United States (not the threat of one, or an unofficial one). Otherwise it's original research which does not belong in an encyclopedia. ... discospinster _talk 16:59, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello User:Soibangla, 1. Two fiscal quarters of economic decline is a recession. The United States of America currently experiencing two quarters of economic decline. Therefore, The United States of America is in a recession now. The 2022 recession is here. You harassing me and demanding proof only demonstrates you are actively engaged in hiding the obvious truth. -Mike (talk) 12:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maxis? They make SimCity, how is that a recession source to be used here? Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Not a thing that has been declared to exist yet, and too awkward a search term to function as a good redirect. XOR'easter (talk) 17:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/Draftify This is simply too soon. There is a reasonable chance this topic should exist in the future but it's too soon right now. Wait another quarter then revisit the topic. Springee (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not delete/Objection to deletion. It does not matter whether NBER declared a recession. The consecutive declines in GDP meets one of historic definitions for a recession. Soibangla and NBER do not have a monopoly on what defines a recession. - JoeBo82 — Preceding undated comment added 21:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the NBER is the exclusive arbiter of recession dating. Moreover, there are no reliable sources saying we are now in recession after yesterday's report. soibangla (talk) 21:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Exclusive arbiter, yet there are recessions in countries other than the United States. Hmmm? -JoeBo82

This article specifically states "caused the beginning of a recession in the United States," not other countries. And it's false. soibangla (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

False. According to who? If you have a source proving that NBER has a monopoly what constitutes a recession, I’d love to read it. Til then, I’d say that Wikipedia should keep this stub up. -JoeBo82 — Preceding undated comment added 22:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Google "NBER official arbiter." soibangla (talk) 22:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeBo82, @Soibangla is correct. The Guardian source in the article clearly states the NBER is the official body to decide, stating, "...the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) is the official arbiter of when recessions begin and end." RS available here. --Kbabej (talk) 22:31, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Out of the four sources on the page, three do not mention a 2022 recession. The only reference to do so is the Guardian article which states an "unofficial start of recession"... clearly implying there is not an official recession. Otherwise this seems like OR/SYNTH. Heave ho, IMO. --Kbabej (talk) 22:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

By that logic there was no U.S. war in Vietnam, only an ‘intervention’. -JoeBo82 — Preceding undated comment added 22:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeBo82 we go with what RS say. None of the sources in the article say there is an actual recession happening. Three don't even mention a 2022 recession, and the Guardian says it's unofficial. WP should not have an agenda in pushing an event that very clearly has not started - if it ever does. --Kbabej (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Don't we already have an article on the "2022 United States recession"? GoodDay (talk) 23:12, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. - JoeBo82 — Preceding undated comment added 01:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I knew we were in a recession early this year (I'm in a recession leading industry), but that doesn't matter since it hasn't been declared officially in the sources. This is jumping the gun, maybe to get that "article created" blip, I don't know. Regardless, it is too soon. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify: if you do a news search, it is obvious that the question of a recession in 2022 is a notable topic. Similarly, it is obvious that if it were determined that one were happening, this would be a notable topic as well. So one of two things will happen: it will, or it won't. Until we know what the hell is going on, it is kind of pointless to have an article navel-gazing about the possibility. Note that, for example, List of earthquakes in 2023 is a redlink, despite the blatant fact that there will be some earthquakes in 2023 -- there isn't much we can say about them because they aren't planned in advance. I move to draftify and not to delete because, if it is later determined that current economic conditions do indeed constitute a recession, writing an article about it is going to involve mentioning stuff that is currently going on; there is no need to erase the content. jp×g 03:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify per above. Also…it seems like the topic may be notable from the lens of wider disagreement in media over whether the US is currently experiencing a recession. The current content of this article attempts to argue that there is a recession, which is OR and not an encyclopedic method of covering the discourse in reliable sources about this topic. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️‍🌈) 04:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify. Very likely that 2022 will be a global recession if inflation is going to be controlled (otherwise, the next decade will be brutal). However, we are not there yet, and have no official confirmation in any major economy. So, per WP:NOTNEWS, Wikipedia should not be trying to lead/anticapte it. 78.19.229.252 (talk) 13:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify - although there doesn't seem to be much work that could not be recreated, there is some edit history and sources which have been in the article in the past which could be used to continue the article when an official recession is declared. Calwatch (talk) 06:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I propose the article be kept, but also renamed. The question of whether the US is currently in a recession is not 100% resolved, though the most popular indicator of GDP says it is. It could be renamed to 2022 Recession question or 2022 economic downturn. --Gilgul Kaful (talk) 16:04, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I believe that this article should remain. Most economists agree that the definition of a recession is when we have two negative quarters of growth in GDP. As this is the definition used in 2020, 2008, etc., this article should remain to not appear hypocritical. 207.255.130.213 (talk) 17:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The US is in a recession after 2 quarters of shrinking GDP. Nerguy (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Baloney Stop the Leftist Propaganda.

Quit changing definitions.

Leave the article up. 75.133.168.86 (talk) 22:03, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

what leftist propaganda? This is a global platform. That generally doesn't exist elsewhere. Oaktree b (talk) 23:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No sources have come out to declare an official US recession, yet. Likely too soon, could perhaps draftify to see if it happens. Oaktree b (talk) 23:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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