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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 Talk Work 11:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 SkyJet Elite Astra crash[edit]

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Does not meet WP:EVENTCRIT, minimal coverage other than local news sources. No reason to expect WP:LASTING effects or WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I still hold my stance of keeping this article. I found the adsbexchange track to it, accessible here: [4]. Also, one of the passengers, Alfredo Diez, seems to be the CEO of Atlantis Flight Academy, a private jet charter and flying school company:[5], [6], [7]. Furthermore, this seems to be the first hull-loss & fatal hull-loss of the aircraft type since its operation in 1984: [8] GalacticOrbits (talk) 05:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Furthermore, this seems to be the first hull-loss & fatal hull-loss of the aircraft type since its operation in 1984"
    The accident involving the first hull-loss of a G650 doesn't have its own article so that argument seems pretty bland combined with the fact that a lot of aircraft don't have a separate article for their first fatal accident.
    The rest of the guidelines mentioned are more than enough to warrant a delete of this article. Other than WP:AIRCRASH which is an essay, you haven't provided solid evidence to prove why this article should be kept. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Although it is the only criterion available, WP:AIRCRASH is at the end of the day an essay. Do not use WP:AIRCRASH as a criteria unless you can find other guidelines that prove that this article should stay.

  • If an accident or incident meets the criteria for inclusion in an airport, airline or aircraft article it may also be notable enough for a stand-alone article, if it also meets the criteria provided by the general notability guideline, a notability of events guideline and a guide on the use of news reports. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few articles two weeks after the event, simply naming the victims and repeating the details of the crash, do not constitute WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Rosbif73 (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you go reading though all of the guidelines mentioned in this page like this the next time you join a debate, you can make a logically and pieced together argument. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
then why does Hop-A-Jet Flight 823 have its own article??? its a private jet???????????¿¿¿¿¿¿ 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 16:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the pilots reported a dual engine failure might suggest lasting effects as it could change procedures. It was also a chartered flight. The accident also had multiple secondary sources covering the accident.

That doesn't mean that there won't be a discussion on whether the article should stay or not. It's just that for now, certain guidelines have been met although that could change.
And remember, if in the end, the accident does result in huge changes, there is always the possibility of reversing the delete, it's just that for the moment, nothing notable has been shown. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i can find atleast 1 million sources on google 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 17:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you post the link of your page then? Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The number of deaths isn't directly a factor in deciding whether the article meets the notability criteria. Even one death is tragic for the families, of course. Fatal accidents are generally newsworthy, but being newsworthy is not the same as being encyclopedic. There are hundreds of light aircraft and general aviation accidents with fatalities every year, and very few of them have any encyclopedic value. Rosbif73 (talk) 18:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At risk of feeding the trolls "Who the hell cares what the criteria says" is probably the most laughable argument I've seen at AfD in a while. AusLondonder (talk) 16:18, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This accident isn't too notable, despite all the news reports when searching for the accident on Google. This story was mainly reported from 3/10 to 3/12, then on the 20th did the news return back to the story onto identifying the victims and not to sound too ignorant but they were stories you took some glance at, and just forgot about. But for the families of the victims, a story to remember. 70.167.194.163 (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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