The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Let me know if you need any of the deleted content for future projects. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems a non-notable combat method, a bit of a coatrack for adverting Chris Mar to boot. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:43, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Essay with no reputable sources. Looie496 (talk) 17:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This reads more like an advertisement. The only independent source appears to be a few paragraphs in SWAT magazine and is more about Mar than APA. APA is mentioned in one sentence at the end--"Mar took the system he was already using and developed it into the APA system", which hardly constitutes significant coverage. Papaursa (talk) 18:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and we should probably consider adding Antagonist Perpetrated Aggression to the pile. I wonder if the advertiser in question forgot he/she had already created an advertisement elsewhere. Stalwart111 (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • NOTE: I've started Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antagonist Perpetrated Aggression as well. I had not noticed that one, but I agree with your logic here. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• NeutralThe person who wrote this article is a senior instructor and did so of his own volition. This is not an advertisement. The question about sources is somewhat difficult and could be facilitated with some help. Please allow me to explain. APA was the original Close Quarters Combat System developed as founding Chief Instructor for Taiwan SWAT in 1985. It is also the system which is still in use for Specialized Tactical Riot in several other countries. APA is documented by certification awarded for its propagation, news releases and published training manuals. The highest echelon of special counterterrorist teams on both sides of the Taiwan Strait have trained under this system, and fundamental combat protocol derived from the program has been disseminated to around 50,000 tactical support and rapid deployment Law Enforcement including special mission teams from the US, Middle East, Africa and Asia Pacific by myself and SWAT officers, the APA Instructors Team and international operators qualified to this task. I am an American but most publication and support material such as the archive documentary footage on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmp2-tZ8G20 is in Chinese. This is a combat system and not a martial arts style, and it is the only field proven simultaneous combat system known. All the information and certification on APA bears my name as the Chief Instructor responsible for development. If one of the esteemed reviewers would advise how I can provide the official documentation regarding the proof of the important role the program has played in LE and special tactical training as a non-public combat system I would provide the documentation, articles, and certification for the author to use freely. I did not create this article and Thanks for your consideration. Chrismar (talk) 12:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)(talk)[reply]
  • • Chris, it looks like it will likely be deleted, but if you will make a request on my talk page afterwards, I will restore a version of this in your own user space so that you can try to develop it over time, and then resubmit it to WP:DRV for reconsideration. Don't take the delete personal, (we don't know you, after all) it is just a matter of policy, but I will help you to try to get it up to snuff in user space this way. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - the article in question has now been substantially blanked by the original author who has removed everything that could have been considered "advertising" and has left the article as a stub with no sources. It certainly does not meet WP:GNG. Suggest we allow this article to be deleted but consider whether Antagonist Perpetrated Aggression can be repaired and kept. While I recognise Chrismar's commendable good faith contribution here (the fact that he did not seek to "vote" in an AfD where he has an obvious conflict of interest), I note he did create Antagonist Perpetrated Aggression and we should probably ask that he gives non-COI editors a chance to review/repair that article. Thoughts? Stalwart111 (talk) 02:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.