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The result was delete. Consensus here is clearly delete, but I'd just like to note a few things:

Declining the A7 tag does indeed seem appropriate
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Abbey Lenzie

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Non notable author with an utterly non-notable prize, akin to that of a high school talent show. No coverage or meaningful reviews (that I can find.) And I'm not sure how winning a random prize that no one has ever heard of is significant or meaningful, but here we are. Praxidicae (talk) 15:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. A7 only requires a credible claim of significance. That's present with the claim of winning an award. If you want to argue that the award is not notable, that's what this discussion is for, not a speedy deletion nomination. 331dot (talk) 15:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Winning any old prize or award is not significant and if that's enough to negate an A7 then it should be gotten rid of altogether. Shall I create an article about myself and the International Thespian of The Year award I won in high school so we can force it into an AFD on the basis that I won an award therefor it's significant? Praxidicae (talk) 15:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The prize is likely significant to someone. A7 is for pages like "John Public is a musician. He created a band in his garage.", not for pages that make a "claim" of significance. 331dot (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The prize is likely significant to someone. That's nice - winning first place in a state fair for best apple pie is significant to someone too. Doesn't mean it's significant in the context of Wikipedia. Let's use some common sense here. Praxidicae (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)If you won an international award, and it was covered significantly in reliable sources, that might indeed merit you an article if the award was truly international and significant. But those would be issues for a discussion, not a speedy deletion where the criteria must be clear and indisputable. 331dot (talk) 15:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And here is the issue with your argument that it's significant - it's not covered in independent reliable sources (in this deletion discussion.) It's literally "x won x award" that has no significance anywhere and no independent coverage. Saying that it's significant to someone is ridiculous. Praxidicae (talk) 15:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But obviously this is going off topic, if you want to debate the merits of what A7 significant and credible actually mean to your average editor, perhaps an start RFC because calling any award that's mentioned significant and credible is just defying any common sense. Praxidicae (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you can get another administrator to agree with you, then feel free and I give you my best wishes. But I saw an A7 and made an interpretation based on what I saw. I don't speak for them but I assume Ritchie333 did the same thing. 331dot (talk) 15:51, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely not an CSD A7, because at least we need to work out what the Plaza Literary Prize is, why we don't have an article on it, see if we could write one and then redirect Abbey Lenzie there. That's pretty much my thought process. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:05, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Let's put a lid on this Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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30 seconds of research would tell you why we don't have an article on it. For the same reason we don't have an article on Bobby Jo and her fair-winning-first-prize apple pie. Praxidicae (talk) 16:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply] That would have only have been the case if a Google search returned no hits whatsoever (in which case it may have been a candidate for CSD G3 - vandalism). Why are you in such a hurry to delete things? Chill out, visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red and write something. And a typical research time for an article is 30 minutes (sometimes 30 days), in the case of getting something like Bootleg recording to GA, it was 30 weeks. Slow down and take a breath. Have you tried asking the article creator? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply] I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd stop telling me to chill out when I'm being perfectly calm and rational and having a conversation and also stop demanding that I go do other things when I'm perfectly content (and not otherwise disruptive) doing what I'm already doing. Stop attributing emotions and feelings to me that simply do not exist. It doesn't take 30 days to determine that something like this is just simply not notable, but please tell me more about how great your contributions are. Thanks. Praxidicae (talk) 16:37, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply] Sure, you can find them here, here and here. Now, in the words of The Rambling Man, don't forget to smile! Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply] Oh don't bring that up again, we don't need any more WP:DIVA moments. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:57, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Let's put a lid on this Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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30 seconds of research would tell you why we don't have an article on it. For the same reason we don't have an article on Bobby Jo and her fair-winning-first-prize apple pie. Praxidicae (talk) 16:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That would have only have been the case if a Google search returned no hits whatsoever (in which case it may have been a candidate for CSD G3 - vandalism). Why are you in such a hurry to delete things? Chill out, visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red and write something. And a typical research time for an article is 30 minutes (sometimes 30 days), in the case of getting something like Bootleg recording to GA, it was 30 weeks. Slow down and take a breath. Have you tried asking the article creator? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd stop telling me to chill out when I'm being perfectly calm and rational and having a conversation and also stop demanding that I go do other things when I'm perfectly content (and not otherwise disruptive) doing what I'm already doing. Stop attributing emotions and feelings to me that simply do not exist. It doesn't take 30 days to determine that something like this is just simply not notable, but please tell me more about how great your contributions are. Thanks. Praxidicae (talk) 16:37, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, you can find them here, here and here. Now, in the words of The Rambling Man, don't forget to smile! Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh don't bring that up again, we don't need any more WP:DIVA moments. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:57, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can see why me fellow administrators are mistaken, but from doing a modest amount of research, I can see that Abbey Lenzie isn't notable, the Plaza Literary Prize isn't notable and the awarding 'organisation' (in reality, a fucking coffee store cum bookstore) sure as hell ain't notable. It's a great pity we need to go through this process, but hey ho, it's not as if there's much better things to do, is there. Nick (talk) 5:14 pm, Today (UTC+1)

A "fucking coffee store cum bookstore" - mixing coffee, fucking and cum? - sounds like the sort of thing you might find in De Wallen, Amsterdam, though I personally prefer to drink coffee fully clothed. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A wise decision when I see that coffee cup on your user page... Nick (talk) 16:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC) [reply]

Delete, this author is not yet notable, and nor is that award. Practically no information on Lenzie is available. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:47, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete An insignificant local award by a bookstore/gallery. An author with no works listed on amazon. There is no sense arguing at AfD whether or not a speedy is correct, --once it has been challenged, the discussion should be here and should be about the article not the process. DGG ( talk ) 21:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — I am the new pages patroller who originally requested the the article for deletion under the A7 criterion for speedy deletion after doing a fair-bit of research on both the subject and the prize she has won, but, my request was declined by 331dot and whilst I see his reasoning, I don't think Lenzie is notable enough to warrant a separate Wikipedia entry on her. Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 00:32, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I had a look around but can't find any way of salvaging this. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:24, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, not sure what all the fuss is about at the beginning of this afd, isnt it correct that a speedy delete can be removed by any editor as long as its not the creator? with a reason (i see a reason was given - "won a prize" which seems to come under no. 5 of Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Non-criteria), it can then come to afd; btw this is a Delete, as not meeting WP:ANYBIO or WP:NAUTHOR, the book's award in the article is not significant, multiple reviews have not been made. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:07, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.