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The result was merge to Achaean League. (non-admin closure) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This one looks weird to me. There is a different article on the Achaean League. This article claims that the League was an early grouping out of which the Federation grew. On the other hand, the League article says that the league was a re-organization of an earlier, unnamed, grouping. To me it looks like a serious contradiction. Now, I tend to trust the League article more, as it has more references and they seem more authoritative; I've also known about the League for... like forever, while the Federation I just heard about. So, I propose to delete this article, maybe salvaging whatever bits of information that are unique to it and incorporating them into the League article. Bazuz (talk) 22:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC) Bazuz (talk) 22:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There are a number of references on Google Scholar http://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=%22Achaean+Federation%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5 that indicate that the Federation is notable in its own right.  Nipsonanomhmata  ^(Talk) 00:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

comment to Nipsonanomhmata: Thanks for replying!

OK, I agree that the Federation might be another term for the League (note though that your search returned 18 references, not all relevant). On the hand, I searched Google Books for League and got a lot of results: (~ 2000) [1]. Worse, in my opinion, is that the current Federation article apparently misrepresents the League.

Maybe what we need is a careful merge. How about that? Bazuz (talk) 08:37, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect to Achaean League. The Greek word corresponding to league in this name is συμπολιτεία (in full: Συμπολιτεία τῶν Ἀχαιῶν). That word has no exact English equivalent, but LSJ gives as meaning: "federal union", and "Achaean Federation" is by itself perhaps a better translation, while "Achaean Confederacy" is another possibility. However, the translation "Achaean League" is conventional and more common. In any case, these terms all refer to the same historical political entity (which I wouldn't call "a governmental unit").  --Lambiam 18:43, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  --Lambiam 18:51, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 23:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect as well per Lambiam, this is obviously the Achaean League under another name. Constantine ✍ 10:54, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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