The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. The delete !votes do not only outnumber the keeps 2 to 1 (counting nominator), but more importantly because it's not a vote, their commenters address issues of notability and coverage more clearly and more in line with policy. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 20:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alfonso de Ceballos-Escalera y Gila (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. The presently used references are either primary or unreliable sources. The article was deleted on Spanish Wikipedia in 2018; that discussion also points out the issues with this article. toweli (talk) 12:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, History, Law, Military, Royalty and nobility, and Spain. toweli (talk) 12:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  KEEP The author has written books and articles some of which may be found on: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Alfonso%2Bde%2BCeballos-Escalera%2By%2BGila&crid=24HSSVNYBC0FT&sprefix=alfonso%2Bde%2Bceballos-escalera%2By%2Bgila%2Caps%2C115&ref=nb_sb_noss and https://www.google.com/search?sa=N&sca_esv=d139cd1eb4e89a1c&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ADLYWIIv_Al2K0HM9e6rfLi85owlYKwEgw:1723893341467&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Alfonso+de+Ceballos-Escalera+y+Gila%22&ved=2ahUKEwibxv6R8_uHAxWsSkEAHWwMEK8Q9Ah6BAgKEAc&biw=2627&bih=948&dpr=1.31

  He acts as the Cronista of Castilla y Leon (Decree 105/1991, May 9 (Official Gazette of Castile and Leon, May 16, 1991) " Art. 16.- The Chronicler of Arms of Castile and Leon shall report on any matters within his specialty submitted to him by the Junta of Castile and Leon and the Provincial Councils, and shall hold the traditional powers and competences of the former Chroniclers, Kings of Arms and Heralds of Castile and Leon, contained in the Royal Decree of July 29, 1915, and the Decree of April 13, 1951." There are two schools of thought as to the extent of his powers, in relation to parts of the Royal Decree of 1915, as there were in relation to the validity of the last Cronista of Spain, but in both cases as a practical matter there has been widespread acceptance of acts carried out by the office holder. As may be seen, the Wikipedia accounts would benefit from amplification of the entries by competent people https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronista_Rey_de_Armas

  There has throughout the 20th century been a deep split in Spanish society between the conservative and monarchist half and the republican including the leftist half, and though nominally a monarchy there are parts even of the institutions of Spain that are opposed to all manifestations of the right or of monarchical prerogative. The position of cronista is one of the battlegrounds on which this has been fought [sources available]. The subject of this article is distinguished both socially and academically, and the desire to delete or cancel him may owe something to his position as a supporter of the rightist political party Vox. For this reason, in the interest of free debate and given the distinguished career of the subject, which would normally merit inclusion, it is suggested that his entry be amended by inclusion (by a qualified Spanish speaker) of a list of his publications. 2.96.174.234 (talk) 11:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I see he is the author of multiple books and there is significant coverage of him in the news (see 1 and 2. Not the strongest case for keeping and the article itself is pretty weird but I think it passes. Mccapra (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the press coverage was only for being elected to a council of a relatively small town (Segovia isn't that big). The books also don't appear notable on their own. My before search is pretty barren as well - nothing clearly secondary. SportingFlyer T·C 02:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 18:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete He has written books, many on heraldry, but even on the Spanish Amazon his books do not have traction (no outside reviews, no stars). This article has more about Spanish peerage than about him, and the few sources are things that are about like ancestry.com. Of the sources mentioned above I can only access the first one, and that is about his house. That doesn't translate to notability. Lamona (talk) 00:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. Authoring a book is not grounds for notability as anyone can write and publish - the relevant policy is WP:AUTHOR. The article seems like a vanity piece and has factual errors. He is not "King of Arms of Spain" - "The last Chronicler Kings of Arms appointed by the Spanish Ministry of Justice, Don Vicente de Cadenas y Vicent, died in 2005." He is apparently "Chronicler of Arms for Castile and León" but I can't find a good source for that claim right now. D1551D3N7 (talk) 14:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.