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The result was keep. There is a weak consensus here that the article does meet the main notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 06:50, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alon Eizenman

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:54, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:54, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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How are those articles anything more than just WP:ROUTINE? Deadman137 (talk) 21:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NHOCKEY specifies that notability is presumed from playing on a senior national team such as at the Olympic Games or World Championship. Israel is playing in Division II. If this is enough to presume notability, then excuse me while I go create hundreds of articles for Mexican and North Korean hockey players. Joeykai (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure that you can find articles about his college career but similar articles in the past have been dismissed as routine sports coverage and the independence of the authors is usually very questionable at best. Also note that just playing college hockey does not make him notable, he would have had to have earned some type of preeminent honour and he did not do so. Deadman137 (talk) 15:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This [[2]].E.M.Gregory (talk) 03:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The league you have cited in the article does not meet accepted criteria for a major collegiate league as you can clearly see here. Also getting a tryout with an NHL team means nothing, as pre-season games don't satisfy the condition of playing a game in a top professional league as they are considered nothing more than exhibition games. At this point you have to be able to prove that he is notable for something other than being an ice hockey player. Deadman137 (talk) 05:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Players are "presumed notable" if the meet the criteria you have mentioned WP:HOCKEY. Of course, other editors may choose to see press coverage of dramatic, overtime goals to win championship games, the follow up coverage of a former pro athlete now at a blue-linked law firm, or other aspects of his life as adding up to notability. Since none of us WP:OWNs this discussion or WP:GNG, I suggest we let other editors weigh in.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please look at the case of Patrick Klöpper from earlier this year, he has played at a higher level than this player ever has and yet he is not notable enough for an article. This player has not passed WP:NHOCKEY as article six is normally applied to players at the championship level, this player has played in nothing higher than a fourth tier competition. His college career is nothing but routine sports coverage that many players in North America normally receive. No one has claimed ownership of this conversation, so far you have only been called out for not understanding the policies that are applied in these conversations. Deadman137 (talk) 17:11, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 Talk 13:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I stand by those assertions. As far as whether the "Metro West Jewish News" is a reliable source, odds are that a paper not notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article doesn't meet that standard. College papers generally aren't regarded as meeting it either. That Eizenman is, purportedly, mentioned in two books is nice: are you stipulating that he received "significant coverage" in those books, as the GNG requires, and from where do you get that information? And so on. Obviously you don't agree with me, but I take umbrage at the insinuation that disagreeing with you is tantamount to intentional deception. Ravenswing 04:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He fails WP:NCOLLATH as well. The ACHA is considered an equivalent to NCAA Division III and I do not recall seeing any articles dedicated to athletes at this level of competition unless they qualified for an article under some other criteria. Deadman137 (talk) 00:08, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 06:18, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same puff pieces that can be found about a lot of other non-notable ice hockey players. Everything that has been written about this guy is just routine sports coverage. The first article talks about him getting into a hall of fame for a non-notable league, the second article talks about him trying to make the Pittsburgh Penguins and I could go find a bunch of similar articles right now about other non-notable players on just about any NHL team's website. Deadman137 (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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