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The result was Snow Keep/withdrawn. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:56, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Annemarie Kremer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Creation of advertisement by COI account, since whittled back and properly sourced; but seems to me to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Orange Mike | Talk 02:06, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

withdrawn by nominator - with a profound molte grazie! to Vocedinotore. Can somebody do the formalities? I'm on break and don't have time or facilities to do so. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - not notable. Mentioned a few times in articles, but does not have anything written specifically about her - in other words she, herself, is not the subject of widespread reporting or reviews. Wikipeterproject (talk) 02:20, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete As Wikipeterproject says, there is no coverage for her specifically. All the material I could find (and indeed all the material in the article at this point) are reviews of operas where she has participated. She is mentioned in step with the other performers. I cannot find significant recordings by her or any other material that could get her past WP:MUSICBIO, and she does not seem to meet WP:GNG either. It is a shame that we don't have a guideline specific to opera that could help us keep this. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 03:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC) - Keep Thank you Vocedinotore! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 16:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Not sure it is enough yet, but there is coverage by reliable sources (and hers is a career that is obviously building). She certainly sings a lot of title roles in important works, and in major venues. I know that arguing against the wiki-rules means that (as always) I lose, but it would be a pity if WP wouldn't be able to provide information about this singer (if the page is deleted). Anyhow, over to the powers that be. GFHandel ♬  04:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Lengthy article on her in Volkskrant, another here in Die Presse . Articles here and here (and probably more) on Radio 4 (Netherlands) . Radio program devoted to her on Ö1 (ORF) . This last one alone gives her a pass on Criteria 12 of WP:MUSICBIO (has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network.) In my view opera singers at that level also consistently pass the spirit of Criteria 4 (is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles). MUSICBIO is entirely written with pop musicians in mind, but if you translate this to opera singers, leading roles with notable opera companies is the same thing, and frankly, a lot harder to do. In her case, it's Norma and Vitellia with Opera North, Salome with the Vienna Volksoper, and several more, e.g. Staatsoper Stuttgart, Leipzig Opera, etc. Voceditenore (talk) 08:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Just wanted to add that she is also the featured soloist on several recordings with the Brilliant Classics record label and at least 1 on Challenge Records. Both are Dutch labels, but both are notable and established classical music labels. Thus, she also passes Criteria 5 (has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels). I wouldn't say that she is just at the start of her career. People here are simply basing this on her appearances in the UK. She's 44 years old and has had a significant career in the Netherlands and Germany for quite a long time. Voceditenore (talk) 08:25, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Voceditenore. I issued an early PROD on this, then found sources and declined my own PROD. It think it is very early in her career, but not quite too early. She has sufficient verifiable notability for the rules. Intellectually she is notable. Emotionally it feels too soon. Intellect trumps emotions. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• comment Voceditenore added the indented material after I entered my ¡vote. I agree with the further assessment. I believe that the UK elements of her career are sufficient to assert her notability. The Netherlands aspects do it completely. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:47, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Voceditenore, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Voceditenore. Kremer's opera career also includes work in France and Brazil, and she has recorded the title role of Agrippina on DVD. --GuillaumeTell 12:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep singing Elvria in the Concertgebouw probably does notability singlehanded almost-instinct 14:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Opera. Voceditenore (talk) 13:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as meets at least criteria 4, 5 and 12 as noticed above.--Smerus (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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