The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
This article was WP:A7'ed but then immediately re-created by the author with references that cannot be checked online (although they forgot that their references are from 2012, but the rally only started in 2013). Regardless, a WP:BEFORE of websites, newspapers and searchable books, reveals nothing on this event (zero SIGCOV), outside of blogs/instagram/commercial sites linked to the event sponsor. Unlike the very notable Baja 1000 race, this event has no notability, but a very persistent new editor who is famiiar with how to "game" WP:A7. After a few random pre-edits, they "dropped" the original article to Mainspace in one go; and post A7, dropped a cut-down version, but also in one go. I bring it to the AfD community for a more permanent solution (that may need SALTing). Britishfinance (talk) 19:09, 16 December 2019 (UTC) Britishfinance (talk) 19:09, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the source for the book mention is published later the name of the book is Tales from the Bivouac : Dakar 2012. Ted Johnson. if you would like to verify you can do that yourself also if you would like I can email you the copy of the Newspaper.
Bambo 124 (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Baja 1000 as this is unnecessarily duplicative, we already have an article on the topic (at least based on my searches, I would delete if this is a separate event.) SportingFlyerT·C 19:40, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SportingFlyer This is not the same event but a very different one (the Baja 1000 is in November, where as this one is held at the end Sept. Unless we delete (and SALT) this now, it is going to be recreated many times over (and in its previous larger version; although with different references to avoid A7). Britishfinance (talk) 19:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
edit conflict Draftify looks like it's a motorcycle rally. There are some sources out there, so potentially notable, but this article is nowhere near ready for mainspace. I would consider any attempt to move it back tendentious, though, so maybe this isn't the best option. SportingFlyerT·C 19:46, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SportingFlyer I have done the BEFORE; nothing approaching RS or SIGCOV on this rally (unlike the Baja 1000). Not a single decent newspaper has done a piece on it. That is why there is a strong PROMO element to this, where Wikipedia would be the most important "plank" in their notability (should be other way around). Britishfinance (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Britishfinance: The article itself is too poor to fail WP:PROMO and my BEFORE search brought up some diverse sources which could very well be used to create a proper article. I'm not arguing this should be kept as it is, but I don't see any harm in allowing the topic to be properly developed. SportingFlyerT·C 01:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
File:Saturday July 20-2013 Baja Rally Is Born.jpgSábado July 20-2013 Baja Rally Is Born FYI Bambo 124 (talk) 19:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
File:Tales from the Bivouac.jpgTales from the Bivouac: Ted Johnson FYI Bambo 124 (talk) 19:56, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a notable topic please review the links and have the banner removed so I will adding more into this article further. Bambo 124 (talk) 20:11, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please let me know what is the problem with the article so I will correct the errors and as per WP notability guidelines all statements should be made with Primary source even though I have mentioned a book and newspaper I don't think this page is not notable and the topic is also notable therefore there is a book and newspaper written furthermore there is a link to Mexican government Also, I have attached some pages from the book itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tales_from_the_Bivouac_Dakar_2012_few_pages.pdf please check Bambo 124 (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Removal of deletion request Since this page is not biased written nor non-notable it full fills WP Notability Guidelines and provide all the references such as Newspaper, Book, thrid party (Mexican government website) reference with pictures and book few pages. I request to remove the Deletion template and I will work on this article and add information further — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bambo 124 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am not a person who would hurt the community but you are wasting your time and mine as well when this topic is notable according to WP guidelines why there is a deletion template I request to remove that as I have given enough references to prove my point about it's notability according to WP Policy.
Comment FWIW, both images are Commons copyvio and won't survive tomorrow. ミラP 00:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I provided those images to prove the point of this article is notable according to WP policy. Bambo 124 (talk) 16:08, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to solicit comment on additional sources the article creator brought up during the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 23:07, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To expand a bit on my relist comment: Most of the sources given in the article itself don't appear to be reliable – the book seems to be self-published, and the web link is to a discussion forum. But during the discussion, Bambo 124 provided links to a video from The Weather Channel and a document from the Mexican Secretariat of Environment, both of which are presumably reliable. So rather than me or another closing admin trying to judge these, it would be very helpful if other participants could comment about them. --RL0919 (talk) 23:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete The government document is a request a permit to hold the race in an environmentally protected area. The weather channel is a video about the weather in Baja, apparently sponsored by the race as an infomercial. Major races get substantial coverage, so if this race is notable, it shouldn;t be necessary to go so far outto peripheral references that are weither promotional or just establish the existence. DGG ( talk ) 22:01, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The TV show who covered was not sponsored I did my research on it before mentioning up here, but I would love if you can provide me with the evidence of it being sponsored that would be helpful for me and the other contributors as well to understand the statement that you made. Bambo 124 (talk) 18:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge to the Baja 1000 article (if the Baja Rally has anything to do with it, of course). There doesn't seem to be enough material or notability for a standalone article Dflaw4 (talk) 13:10, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Per the above, these are separate events, the Baja 1000 is in November, whereas this one is held at the end Sept. Britishfinance (talk) 14:55, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If there is absolutely no link between the two events, then I would delete the article, as flagged. Dflaw4 (talk) 15:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.