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The result was delete. Its not clear where the redirect should be but feel free to use editorial judgement to put it in. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ballybran[edit]

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All plot summary, no indication of real-world notability. All references are primary. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 07:16, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 09:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 09:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - nom is I think right that this is a non-notable work among dozens of similar writings from this prolix author. The reasoning is however incorrect - notability is a product of what exists in the world, not what is written in the article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:10, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Crystal Singer as per above. Neutral as to whether it should be a delete+redirect, or a history-preserving redirect. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:32, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Most probably notable. There is actually quite a lot of coverage in GBooks. Here, for example, "Ballybran" is directly discussed as an analog for the United States. Frankly, however, this AfD is a complete waste of time. Because of PRESERVE and ATD, we are never going to delete this article. The only possible outcomes here are keep and merge (and I think it is more likely to be a keep). I am tempted to suggest this nomination be procedurally closed and sent to proposed mergers. Another problem with this nomination is that "Ballybran" is the well known pseudonym of a real village in West Kerry, so we would want the page name anyway. James500 (talk) 08:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC) For the avoidance of doubt, we would not normally delete and redirect an article unless every revision in the page history satisfies WP:REVDEL. In order to delete and redirect, it would, amongst other things, be necessary to check every revision in the histories of both pages to make sure that nothing has ever been copied from the page that is to be deleted to the target article. This would be necessary to ensure compliance with the attribution requirements explained in WP:CWW. It is such a pain in the neck that we normally refuse to do it, and it is one of the reasons why WP:R forbids the deletion of non-harmful redirects. James500 (talk) 23:24, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• • Delete and redirect is a thing you know. The page content doesn't necessarily need to be preserved, so the AfD is not pointless. I would vote exactly that, and Delete and redirect to the West Kerry location he is talking about if it is mentioned in the article, otherwise just delete._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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