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The result was keep. Notable topic, the consensus is keep. Alex Shih (talk) 04:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Fardykambos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Unable to find sources. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:48, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Oppose as a spurious nomination. I don't see a claim that the battle is non-historical. "All sources are Greek" is not an argument, since the Greek resistance is a topic that is rather underrepresented in Anglophone sources, unless the British were somehow involved. "ludicrous casualties" may be a valid suspicion that something is wrong, and we all know the phenomenon of inflated casualty counts in battles, but that does not constitute a reason for deletion. The article should be flagged for better sources or fixed, but deletion is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Constantine ✍ 18:47, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete searching Fardykambos + 1943 got only a single sentence in a single book: Der griechische Dämon: Widerstand und Bürgerkrieg im besetzten Griechenland 1941-1944 by Kaspar Dreidoppel, Verlag (2009). searching Fardykambos + 1943 brings up only the same book plus one hit, which turned out to be an echo of our page Friedrich-Wilhelm Müller. Constantine, we would need more sources to support sufficient notability to keep this article. Feel free to ping me to revisit if anyone finds such.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:09, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Note that it is possible that there are alternative transliterations of Fardykambos. But many small partisan actions fail to garner sufficient coverage to support articles.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:11, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @E.M.Gregory:: as Smmurphy mentioned below, the battle is known under the names of different localities, including Siatista and Bougazi. Hits for the Greek name in GBooks: [1]; Stefanos Sarafis memoirs in English ("Battle of Bougazi near Siatista, Spring 1943. Entire Italian battalion of 18 officers and 700 men taken"); in a 1961 study by the Special Warfare Research Division, Special Operations Research Office, American University: "At the “Battle of Bougazi,” near Siatista, they claimed to have captured an entire battalion of 18 officers, 700 men, and all arms and equipment.”"; Hammond's Venture Into Greece: With the Guerrillas, 1943-1944 ("capturing an Italian battalion with its equipment"); Dominic Eudes' landmark study on the right-wing partisan leaders has a relatively complete description (pages 44-48); a study about wartime Macedonia by Koliopoulos (who discusses claims about who "won" the battle), clearly mentioning the "capture of the Italian battalion" at Siatista; I can probably find more. And I repeat that notability is not, for such matters, necessarily contingent upon coverage in English-language sources, given that the topic of the Greek Resistance is really not well covered at all in English bibliography (or for that matter generally in non-Greek sources). I suspect that similar things could be said about the Polish resistance, the Italian resistance, etc. as well. Constantine ✍ 11:01, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep - I found more results searching for Siatista and the date. I've added other spellings to the article. I wonder if this is the same as "Battle of Bougazi". I'm not sure, but was this the action where Stefanos Sarafis was captured? Sarafis was captured by the resistance on March 7, 1943 and soon after was persuaded to join them, becoming a leader. If this is the engagement where that happened, it is very notable. Outside of that, I've added a couple of sources to the article and greatly expanded a description of the events. Also, I am pinging @E.M.Gregory: in case he is interested in this transliteration. Smmurphy^(Talk) 05:49, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, thanks to User:Smmurphy for finding those sources. E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:40, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per improved sourcing.Icewhiz (talk) 10:42, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Κeep. Per User:Cplakidas (Constantine). ——Chalk19 (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The article is sourced. Pointing out that the sources provided are Greek to some of us is not valid source criticism. See WP:NOENG. Paradoctor (talk) 18:12, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- The article is sourced, though most of the sources are Greek language ones. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Just because the sources are not English language, does not make them any less valid. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 17:19, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Seems to have sufficient coverage. Pretty interesting, actually. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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