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The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 02:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Caleb Tiller

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Appears to fail WP:Athlete as he has not competed at the fully professional level of this sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport. Once he has played at the fully professional level of this sport he can be recreated but until then this is just a crystal ball AFL stub. --VS ^talk 22:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE. Claim of notability is crystal ball gazing. McWomble (talk) 09:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —The-Pope (talk) 15:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Being one of about 70 people selected to play in the only professional Australian rules football league in the world, is notable. Needs sources, hence I tagged it a unreferenced. The-Pope (talk) 15:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Being selected is not notability. WP:ATHLETE required the person to have competed at the highest professional level. Until this this article is purely crystal ball gazing. McWomble (talk) 11:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If and when he makes his AFL appearances, he will be deserving of an article, but at present he's just one of a large grab bag of potential stars, and the footy field in Australia is littered with large numbers of cast-offs who didn't make the grade from previous grab bags. And practically none of the discards will ever being deserving of notability status in these pages. Not wishing bad luck on the lad, but he's not notable yet. Murtoa (talk) 00:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep On precedent. Similar arguments occurred last year and the year before after the draft, and each time the result was keep.Aspirex (talk) 11:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as fails notability guidelines. Arguing about notability is pointless if non-trivial sources do not exist. How is precedent different from WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS?Yobmod (talk) 19:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 22:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 22:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Every year we have the same debates, and every year we come to the same conclusion that it's a lot simpler to keep the articles. He will be on the list for the whole of next season, making him one of only 44 players to be able to play for Geelong next season. - Allied45 (talk) 01:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This appears to pre-empt the outcome and is not helpful, particularly seeing that at least some of this year's articles are actually being deleted. "We" haven't necessarily come to the same conclusion this year. He may be on the list, but "every year" we see some of these players simply making no impact and reverting to relative obscurity. Murtoa (talk) 06:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 02:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - along with the rest of these articles. Please nominate them all together in future. - Richard Cavell (talk) 03:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Some have already been deleted (and some kept), so that approach won't work in this instance. Murtoa (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Claims to notability are pure crystal-ball gazing. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 04:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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