The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. after article improvements. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The entire article consists of mostly plot summaries, with nothing to suggest the character's notability. Sources in the article are either primary (episodes and interviews), news more about the actor, or episode recaps. A quick Google search does not give any sources that prove individual notability. If the character is not notable, I suggest a redirect and/or merge to List of The Bill characters#Sergeants. Spinixster (chat!) 06:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Television. Spinixster (chat!) 06:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per above, pure plot summary that fails WP:GNG. No analysis, reception, etc. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I've been able to find some sources for it. The article requires work sure but it can be done if we work on it. Incidentally, I noticed that you held a discussion to redirect Dale Smith for the same reason but this one initially you just redirected the article without any discussion. Why? 5 albert square (talk) 01:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It's an WP:ATD. I was advised to do so instead of opening a lot of nominations.

  Also, can you please list the sources here, @5 albert square? It'd be more useful if we can see which sources they are so a consensus can be made. Spinixster (chat!) 03:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/showbiz-news/stone-faces-a-blue-time-952021 and https://www.theguardian.com/culture/tvandradioblog/2009/jul/30/the-bill-makeover and https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-10000504 Just a few of what i found 5 albert square (talk) 23:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Let's see.

    • First source seems to be an interview. It isn't much about the character but rather the actor's experience on the show.
    • Second source is an analysis on the show. Only mentions the character once.
    • Third source is about the show, not the character. Only mentions the character once.

    Overall, these sources are more about the show and not about the character specifically. Notability is not inherited. Spinixster (chat!) 06:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect due to lack of reception or analysis, failing WP:SIGCOV. Could refactor my !vote if coverage is found. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Shooterwalker: More sources/coverage have now been found by another user😊 DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 16:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, I agree that the article does need work but the 11 sources do show notability. I disagree that the article is plot only as the development section shows real world info as it reveals behind the scenes information. He is notable and was one of the last original characters. An actor's appearance on the show does have to do with the character (e.g. an actor playing a shopkeeper and an actor playing a policeman will have very different experiences due to different storylines, stunts, reception, research etc). If it not kept, it should be merged as recommended, not just redirected as otherwise the information will be lost. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 07:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I said mostly plot summaries, not purely. But either way, it's not enough to prove notability (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/D.B. Russell for a similar instance). Just because an actor is known for playing a character does not mean that the character is independent notable (again, per above, notability is not inherited). Notability is based on whether or not sources that talk about the character significantly from a real-world perspective exists. Also see WP:FICT. If you need me to elaborate I'll gladly do so. Spinixster (chat!) 08:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I contributed to this article years ago. Looking at it now it needs a lot of work to get it to an acceptable standard. I will see if there are additional sources and try to improve the article.Rain the 1 18:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Update:Strong Keep – The article has had huge improvements done by mostly Raintheone, with the new sources showing clear notability. The plot only sections have been removed and it is now all sourced development showing out of universe information. Per WP:HEY and notability guidelines, I strongly recommend that this article is kept. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 16:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I think there is enough information about the character from independent sources and significant coverage of the character. I removed all the episode summary style sources which were originally in place. I deleted the entire storyline section, it smacked fancruft. I will also continue to improve it.Rain the 1 23:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep given the recent improvement section and the promise of future work. WP:HEY Applies here I think. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.