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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:13, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Boguinia[edit]

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The sources are too weak to show he passes WP:GNG, they are mostly affiliated, a couple of passing mentions and an article in a local paper from when he was a 16 year old music student. He does not seem to meet the criteria WP:COMPOSER or WP:MUSICIAN. This looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON Dom from Paris (talk) 09:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. FOARP (talk) 13:48, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete definitely WP:TOOSOON. Most of the sources mention him in passing (or not at all), even with the addition of many more sources after this AfD was started. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 20:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment: user also has a liking to adding classical-music-download.com crosswiki — billinghurst sDrewth 09:43, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Also noting that created simple:Charles Augustin White — billinghurst sDrewth 09:46, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  I also think that we may have a case of wp:paid editing. If you look at c:special:contributions/ThirdPicardy we have the image as a close-up front of house glam-shot, so we have close long term relationship between subject and contributor. We also have relationships with another set of artists. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:54, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Without a doubt, at best we have a conflict of interest, if not paid editing. Further we have https://www.ascap.com/playback/2015/10/faces-and-places/concert/music-sustainable-planet which is the same image uploaded to Commons and deleted as File:Music For a Sustainable Planet Concert at Symphony Space.jpg. Note the surnames of the two younger gentleman and see if you notice the surname here. Also compare the gentlemen in the photo with the upload— billinghurst sDrewth 10:02, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment is this informed opinion presented here, because what I see in the article easily satisfies notability, My own familiarity with contemporary composers is rudimentary, but the mention of Kronos quartet and the ÆON Music Ensemble amongst the other notables that have performed his work strongly suggests his own notability. And that is what I reading in the linked guidance, the article is notable. Secondly, a living person who has sought to contribute content on this matter has been directly accused of "paid editing", which is then dialled back to "Without a doubt, at best we have a conflict of interest, if not paid editing," This may be so, but my own opinion, supported by years of evidence and experience of the admonisher, is that this is more likely to be ill founded as a concern and that broader community input is need to make those assertions. The wiki-thug and I have a history, to declare my COI and admit my own shit, but I am judging this proposal on its own merit. So it goes, a tangential concern, back to the discussion: I expect this comment will convert to keep, but I'll wait to see other views as the OP's interpretation of guidelines might be in accord with similar deletion discussions and they may be more familiar with this field of music. As a crude test, @OP, I don't know that I have heard of Charles Boguinia, I might have heard him played sometime, but were you familiar with say Kronos Quartet when you listed the article? cygnis insignis 03:10, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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