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The result was delete. AfD is not a venue to establish whether lower Chinese leagues are fully pro. This is the right venue. I take it that at this point, the fully professional status of these leagues is not established, and delete the articles. If at any future point the fully pro status has been established, please contact me or any other administrator for undeletion of these articles.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that the top three flights of Chinese football are pro. He has not played in the top flight, and the claim that the second and third flights are fully pro is not supported by reliable sources. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:19, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following articles for the same reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:23, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:23, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all - fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 15:30, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all - We are bound by Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, and that says that only the Chinese Super League is fully pro. Therefore this fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Sven Manguard Wha? 17:45, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep-WP:NFOOTBALL's reference, Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, is an incomplete list. Taking China League One as an example. According to Regulations of China League One (The official program of 2013 China League One, Page 8):
- Chapter 1 Section 1: 中国足球协会甲级联赛是由国内职业足球俱乐部参加的除中超联赛外，全国高水平的职业足球联赛……(China League One is the second highest professional football league division (after Chinese Super League) for professional football club in the country…)
- Chapter 1 Section 2: …中国足球协会职业联赛理事会在中国足球协会的领导和授权下管理中甲联赛… (…China League One is administered by Chinese Football Association Professional League Council under the leadership and authority of Chinese Football Association).

China League One is a league played by professional football club and administered by professional League Council. If it is not fully professional league, then what's the standard of "fully professional league"? --Alexchen4836 (talk) 19:30, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all - China League One is the second tier of Chinese professional league system, consists of professional football clubs. (China League One Official Site) --Asaikana (talk) 19:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep all~~ - It appears that a reliable source has been found to indicate that more than just the top league are fully professional. If the formal regulations of the league call it professional I am prepared to accept it as an FPL unless someone can provide contradictory but reliable sources that it is not "fully" professional. Fenix down (talk) 10:12, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, delete Li Shuai and Pan Weiye keep the others, the sources provided only seem to apply to League one and these two do not appear to have played there yet, onlt League two. Fenix down (talk) 10:43, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @Asaikana: @Fenix down: - have a read of WT:FPL. There is no independent, reliable source which verifies these leagues as fully-professional. The league describing itself as professional is not sufficient. Giant Snowman 17:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @GiantSnowman:, you may then wish have a look at the sources already used for a number of the leagues cited on the FPL page. The following references all point to pages or documents published by the league or national football federation governing the league deemed to be FPL: 1, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12, 13, 17, 23, 33, 34, 35, 39, 40, 42, 43, 50, 53, 54, 71, 73, 74, 86, 87, 88, 89, 91, 102, 160, 161, 162 and 163. It actually seems that there is consensus that a league or national FA declaring a league to be professional is sufficient. We seem either to have a problem with the two sources here, or a problem with the FPL list. Fenix down (talk) 17:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:04, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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