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The result was keep. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chicken riggies[edit]

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This article has remained unverified since 2007. News content referenced in discussion page is all local papers. Previously was candidate for speedy deletion.

Fails WP:N — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyleaa (talk • contribs) 2009/12/16 01:48:39

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a minor local specialty, but then so is Horseshoe sandwich and probably a hundred other things. Described in a cookbook here and mentioned in Fodor's New York State here. There's also a Rachael Ray recipe here. From what I've seen, this is considered a legit local dish. --Glenfarclas (talk) 23:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wikipedia is full of such food articles, which from my reading of WP:N are not notable. I think editors should respond very specifically as to how Chicken riggies does or does not meet WP:N. --Ronz (talk) 01:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Right, sorry if I wasn't careful enough. WP:GNG states that a subject is presumptively notable if it "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I've given three, and here's another, Home Plate: The Culinary Road Trip of Cooperstown by Brenda Berstler, stating that "Utica is as well-known for this chicken-rigatoni dish, as Buffalo, New York is known for their wings." These are reliable sources that are independent of the subject. I think coverage is "significant" when a book describes a dish and provides a recipe. So, I think this subject is presumptively notable, and none of the rebutting circumstances in WP:NOT applies. Therefore the subject is notable. It's not Beef Wellington or Peach Melba, granted, but it's a notable dish. --Glenfarclas (talk) 09:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"I think coverage is 'significant' when a book describes a dish and provides a recipe." Thanks for that explanation. I wonder if others agree, or if this has been discussed at WP:Food and Drink somewhere. --Ronz (talk) 17:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While this is clearly a regional specialty, thus explaining why references are in local press, it is more than simply a local recipe, as it is notable enough to have an annual contest for the best creator of the dish. The event, called Riggiefest, is in its fifth year, and garners coverage from local newspapers and TV. This is not your typical bar challenge, as it raised well into six figures for charity. The article was originally poorly written, with a plea to track down information embedded in the article itself. While I'm not about to claim GA status, I've cleaned up the ugly parts, and added five references.--SPhilbrick T 21:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with the two "keep" voters above. Airplaneman ^talk 02:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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