The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cliffjumper[edit]

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Non notable fictional character, fails GNG, and no reliable secondary sources comment upon it. Donald Schroeder JWH018 (talk) 14:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, since Grimlock was voted as keep. But the "other incarnations" page should seriously be merged here and the article should be only about the red Dude and hisn derivatives. NotARealWord (talk) 18:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This weird piecemail deletion still baffles me. Why are people still nominating the MAJOR characters for deletion? Mathewignash (talk) 20:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Only the red Bumblebee-ish dude is a major character, the other ones called Cliffjumper can just be removed. NotARealWord (talk) 21:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - How is a red Porsche at all like a Yellow VW Beetle? Mathewignash (talk) 01:49, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well:

They're both pretty small for giant robots
They both have horns
The vehicle modes of their original toys were not realistically proportioned
Their original action figures came in both red and yellow
Every Cliffjumper action figure from late 2006 onwards was made from a Bumblebee

-NotARealWord (talk) 06:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No independent reliable sources conferring independent notability. Fails GNG as a result. Skinny87 (talk) 08:13, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The no independent reliable sources thing could be more due to the generally bad quality of TF character articles than an actual lack of proper notability. But, if this does get deleted, the "other incarnations" page has to get deleted too. NotARealWord (talk) 08:31, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I thought this was a reliable source [1] Dwanyewest (talk) 14:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and merge the "other incarnations" into this article. Trim appropriately, but there's no evidence that RS'es don't exist. Jclemens (talk) 16:45, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
if kept rename to Cliffjumper (Transformers), since this definitely is not the primary usage of the term, what with BASE jumpers jumping from cliffs, and cliff divers jumping from cliffs, and hang gliders jumping from cliffs etc. A dab page should sit at the primary location cliff jumper and cliffjumper should redirect to it. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 05:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Ok, I can see nomming some of the other less-known transformers, but this is ridiculous. Cliffjumper was a primary character from the first two seasons of the TV show and was voiced by Kasey Casem. AfD is not for cleanup. Sources [2], [3], [4], [5]. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 22:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment BLOCKED SOCK PUPPET NOMINATION - This whole deletion nomination was created by a banned sock puppet, and should be ended based on that, a REAL nomination could then be made if someone legitmate wants to make one. Mathewignash (talk) 08:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, there's one "good faith" delete !vote outstanding. That makes this a "real nomination". --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but that guy seems to vote to delete for every Transformer article, and his arguement was invalid as there are sources cited. Mathewignash (talk) 20:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.