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The result was keep. Kristen Eriksen (talk) 06:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus massacre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

An editor has blanked this and there seems to be a great deal of heat over whether this event occurred or not. I did a google book search on 1570 and Cyprus and one of the references I found indicates that it did not: Dictionary of Islamic Architecture. An extraordinary claim as made in this article should have extraordinary sourcing. Here, we have no sources. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep A Google book search returns a number of history books that mention this massacre. Article needs fleshing out by people with full access to such sources. Ryan Paddy (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note I've restored some sources that used to be given in the article, as I can't see good reasons for their deletion. I also had a look at the architecture book (which seems like a strange source for military history) and don't see that it denies a massacre. It says "in many ways the Ottoman conquest had simply replaced one group of rulers with another, leaving the Greek Orthodox population largely intact." No direct discussion of massacres or otherwise. As a side note, I'd hazard that this article has been subject to biased nationalistic editing due to original sensitive mentions of Armenians and Turkey, and this should be taken into account in regards to claims of historical fact and source reliability, which are typically the first victims in such cases. Even if this massacre is verifiably apocraphal, it is still notable so an article should exist outlining what the sources say. I'd hazard a guess that suitable reliable history sources will indicate it happened, but either way a NPOV article is appropriate. Ryan Paddy (talk) 02:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions. —Ryan Paddy (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep based on existing sources and the ones found by Ryan. Edward321 (talk) 14:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Eric Solsten, ed. Cyprus: A Country Study. Washington: GPO for the Library of Congress, 1991. refers to the massacre in a fair amount of detail. Google books wouldn't let me see the key bits of Turnbull, Stephen (2003). The Ottoman Empire 1326–1699 (Essential Histories Series #62). Routledge. ISBN 978-0415969130. but that would be worth checking. Suicidalhamster (talk) 17:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. —Ryan Paddy (talk) 22:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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