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The result was Keep. Nomination withdrawn, sole delete !vote was "per nom". For all intents and purposes, this is unanimous. (Non-admin closure) Wine Guy~Talk 09:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Dutton[edit]

• Withdraw - now verifiably notable, though the sources found by gidonb need to be placed into the article along with other sources and info found recently. Also, the article needs to be deorphaned and the redirect need to be deleted. --Jubilee♫clipman 05:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Originally PRODed by me: "No RSs to be found anywhere. Only minor local newspaper and minor review. Fails WP:N and WP:MUSIC because it fails WP:V". However it has come to light that there may be reason to feel that he is indeed notable: this blog appears to be a reproduction of a column in Bay Area Reporter by George Heymont of the opera staged by Kentucky Opera in 1990. Dutton also had a 3-month long exhibition at a small museum which may just scrape the notability standards itself (link added). However, the article appears to be self-authored and there are a lot of IP edits adding his website to other articles only vaguely connected with Dutton or his work. (Eg [1] There are several others.) Very hard to decide either way, hence AfD. Jubilee♫clipman 18:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note - there is also a redirect that needs to be dealt with after this AfD closes: Daniel dutton --Jubilee♫clipman 01:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• comment I am the person who has been in discussion with Jc about this and who unearthed the Heymont article, the 21c Museum Hotel exhibition and the suspicious IP edits. I'm just teetering towards keep but did suggest that here was the place to discuss things.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:01, 12 February 2010 (UTC) Now definitely a keep after subject's description of Kentucky Opera as no 16 in a big country.--Peter cohen (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Not notable as an artist on this showing, but might be as a composer - I leave that for others to decide. Johnbod (talk) 03:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been mentioned at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Opera.--Peter cohen (talk) 12:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep Daniel Dutton seems to be a local multimedia artist on the borderline of notability, however, it is possible to verify a major part of the article using independent sources: 21c Museum Hotel, Kentucky Educational Television. I've added citations. --Vejvančický (talk) 17:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Good finds! Maybe the article was intended as selfpromo but the fact remains that he may well be borderline-notable. Still a tough call, though, even from those RSs. --Jubilee♫clipman 20:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• "Comment" My first opera, "The Stone Man" was reviewed in both Opera News, and Opera in America. I have to wonder how many of the composers whose status is unquestioned have had an opera fully staged by a major opera company (Kentucky Opera was rated 16th in the nation in 1990). The Kentucky Opera production of The Stone Man was funded, in part, by the National Endowment for the Arts "Opera for the 80s and Beyond" program, and reviewed by their committee as an example of the one of the best examples of works supported by that funding. It was the first opera by a Kentucky composer to be staged, 7 performances in Louisville, KY., and subsequently toured the state, playing to audiences who had never seen an opera before. The Stoneman was followed by a cycle of four fully staged dance operas, "The Secret Commonwealth," documented by Kentucky Educational Television, with a viewing audience over a million, and with teachers guides still in use after nearly 20 years. If this group of investigators can cite a composer anywhere in the US who is better known in their home state, or in other words, where the community knows their work best, I will defer to non-status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.174.234 (talk) 02:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mr Dutton, could you please supply details (authors, issue and page numbers) of the reviews of The Stone Man. You're unfortunate in that the performances happened before the big surge in the internet. I was able to find the Bay Area Reporter review because Heymont had decided to put his archive online in a from that Google recognises. If you provide the details of these reviews that will help confoirm that you meet out WP:Notability requirement and better source the article.--Peter cohen (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. It's my understanding that there are no reviews in reliable, independent media. Notability is not conferred by local museums and television stations (however rich they may be, and however glitsy their websites), because these are essentially promoters. I'd be happy to reconsider if anyone can come up with a bona fide review. --Kleinzach 00:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Very weak keep: there's little of real notability here. Verif. of an Emmy nom. would help, but nothing comes up on their website.Viva-Verdi (talk) 18:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:33, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This artist and composer is often covered by the Lexington Herald-Leader and occasionally by other dailies. The Lexington Herald is the second-largest daily newspaper in Kentucky. References need to be improved, but I see no case for deleting. gidonb (talk) 01:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is just a small selection of the relevant references:

NEVER FEAR, THERE'S ALWAYS MORE TO SEE
Work: Lexington Herald
Author: David Minton
Date: 2000-04-23
Page: J6
Quote: Dutton is a musician, performer, writer of folk-rock operas, amateur filmmaker and the force behind a group of dancers, actors and musicians called The Secret Commonwealth. His first "opera" was The Changeling and the Bear, and the soundtrack was nominated for a Grammy, according to Riverstone co-owner Ken Wesley. Dutton has written two other operas since then, which have been staged in Somerset, Richmond and Northern Kentucky.

MUSICAL AMBASSADOR - MAKER OF RARE JAPANESE LUTE WILL PLAY IN SOMERSET
Work: Lexington Herald
Autor: Ty Tagami
Date: 1999-02-20
Page: A1
Quote: Ohashi came to Somerset to visit friends and to perform with local artist Daniel Dutton, whom he met in Japan two years ago. Dutton traveled to Japan in 1997 with a Japanese couple living in Somerset, playing old Appalachian ballads on dulcimer and guitar for a Japanese audience. Dutton, who is the artistic director and musical composer for the opera, invited Ohashi to come to Kentucky and open the show.

'SECRET' GETTING EASIER TO FIGURE OUT
Work: Lexington Herald
Date: 1999-02-14
Page: J3
Quote: Daniel Dutton hopes people will leave the world premiere of Love & Time - the third in his series of four opera-modern dance productions called The Secret Commonwealth -saying: "I kind of understand what was happening there." The Somerset-based director/composer knows he has tested audiences with the first two chapters: The Changeling and the Bear and The Road.

SOMERSET MAN TRIES ANOTHER AMBITIOUS WORK; DANIEL DUTTON NOW WRITING 4-PART OPERA
Work: Lexington Herald-Leader
Date: 1994-12-11
Author: Kevin Nance
Page: H1
Quote: Daniel Dutton is back. The self-taught composer-writer-painter from Somerset is best known for The Stone Man, an uncategorizeable musical stage work produced by the Kentucky Opera in Louisville that toured throughout the state five years ago. Now, Dutton, 35, is in the midst of a project that is even harder to pigeonhole and far more ambitious: a four-part, eight-hour, pop-folk opera called The Secret Commonwealth.

Wow! Quite a list from a daily with 100,000+ circulation. Would you be able to deorphan the article, also? The would be the clincher... Thanks, gidonb! --Jubilee♫clipman 04:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Please check the archives before proposing a deletion. gidonb (talk) 13:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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