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The result was delete. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 13:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David V. Johnson

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A7 CSD was declined, saying notability is asserted. I'm sorry, but I just do not see how this meets notability requirements. TexasAndroid (talk) 23:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He has gotten awards. You can debate whether or not the awards are notable, though. --I dream of horses (talk) 23:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The reason I declined this speedy (as a non-admin) is that the subject's notability is asserted by the awards he won, one of which looks pretty big to me. Whether these claims are dubious or the awards are not notable is another matter. Bottom line, the claims have been made, and that alone is enough for an article to get past Speedy Deletion. It is here at AfD that we can evaluate whether these claims can be substantiated, not at SD. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 00:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are quite a lot of news stories about his development activities, though it will take careful handling. See [1] . thje present article is a piece of PR fluff, but it need not be. the Entrepreneur of the Year award was in 96 [2], but I havent found it yet. DGG (talk) 00:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The source listed for the award is a press release from prwire.com, which isn't considered a reliable source. I didn't find any reliable sources in a Google search either - it's all sites related to his business, which aren't considered reliable. Without 2nd party sources, it doesn't look to me like the award is notable. Dawn Bard (talk) 16:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable (see awards section) Rirunmot (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Rundown of the awards:

Urban Land Institute Award for Excellence - 17 Google hits all either trivial mentions or from Johnson's own business sites. The only "news" hit is a press release, which isn't reliable or 2nd party per WP:RS.
Entrepreneur of the Year from USA Today, again only 10 Google hits, all from Johnson's own business sites, and nothing from Google news, not even from USA Today.
Environmentalist of the Year, Michigan Chamber of Commerce 3 hits, all from Johnson's business sites, no news hits.
Developer of the Year, Building Industry Association - 2 Google hits from Johnson's businesses, 1 news hit, unfortunately one would have to pay to see it, but it seems like a passing mention - the title is simply "People on the Move" - and at any rate it doesn't add up to significant coverage in reliable independent sources.
Distinguished Community Leader, Bloomfield Hills Rotary Club 3 hits, all from Johnson's business sites; no news hits.

I don't see any independent evidence that attests to the notability, or even the existence in some cases, of these "awards" - it's all from primary sources. Dawn Bard (talk) 16:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Notability not established through significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Possibly self-promotional. Dawn Bard (talk) 16:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Keep arguments based on awards hold no water per Dawn Bard. (Nice work.) Notability not established, merely a puffed up and apparently fabricated promotional piece. لenna vecia 15:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – It appears that the Entrepreneur of the Year award was from Ernst & Young, not USA today [3]. From what I can tell, he won the regional version of the award and was a finalist (but not winner) of the national version. –Megaboz (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sticking with my delete vote, but thank you for the clarification. Dawn Bard (talk) 17:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – After looking into this further, I believe his listed awards to be legitimate, but I'm not convinced they are significant enough for him to meet the notability guideline. There are many reliable sources which mention him, but the coverage is typically focused on the actions of his companies and not specifically on him. For instance, the Urban Land Institute Award for Excellence appears to have been given to the Victor International Corporation and not to an individual [4]. I was unable to find any reliable sources which have him as the main subject of their coverage. –Megaboz (talk) 01:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.