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The result was no consensus. It's impossible to read consensus in these types of group nominations, relist all seperate This is a Secret ^account 21:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Diego Cervero[edit]

NN, 4th division player (current), lack of information Matthew_hk t c 06:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also nominate:

Matthew_hk t c 06:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Matthew_hk t c 06:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Real Oviedo: "they currently play in the Tercera (third?) División - Group 2 and they are the Asturian team with the most seasons played in Primera (first) División." The club might be low ranked now, but if he played with them when they played premier division, he's still noteworthy, that doesn't disappear with time. I think the nomination is jumping the gun without having all the facts. - Mgm|^(talk) 00:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

if he played with them when they played premier division, he's still noteworthy - in that case you need to add sourced confirmation to the article that this is the case, it can't be kept based on a guess that he might have played in the top division. Currently Cervero's article states that he has only played for Oviedo since 2002, which is after they were relegated out of the top division. I haven't checked the others yet ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked Cabrero's article and he was only 15 when Oviedo were relegated from the Primera Division, so he hasn't played in it either..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cervero has played for Oviedo and Marbella in the Segunda B (third level) during the 2005/06 season. I'm not sure if the Segunda B is a "fully professional league" but it does include "B" teams for the Primera clubs, so I doubt it is. Anyone know for sure? Jogurney (talk) 03:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meijide at least (per http://www.futbolme.com/0708/_p_jugadores.asp?indice=17721&apodo=Diego%20Meijide, http://www.futbol.com.uy/noticias/1999/cl99uy.html and http://www.playerhistory.com/Default.aspx?page=seasons&seasonID=3982&section=teams&teamID=25957). He has scored 5 times in the 1999 season for Deportivo Maldonado in the Uruguayan first division. He also has played for Tianjin Teda in 2002 in the Chinese first level which is probably a "fully professional league" (if someone thinks the Uruguayan first doesn't qualify). Overall, I worry about doing all of these AfDs at once since it appears no one has done enough research to confirm whether these players are notable or not. Jogurney (talk) 03:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Salas (Falo) (http://www.futbolme.com/0708/_p_jugadores.asp?indice=5640&apodo=Falo) and Centrón (http://www.futbolme.com/0708/_p_jugadores.asp?indice=19671&apodo=Centrón) because neither appears to have played in a league about the Tercera (4th level). I highly doubt that the Tercera is a fully professional league or that either of these young players are notable. Jogurney (talk) 04:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Real Oviedo played in a fully professional league (Segunda Division), not to mention the 2nd division of Spanish football (I don't see any arguments about people who played in the Ligue 2, Serie B, 2. Bundesliga, English Championship, or Swiss Challenge League for that matter) just two years ago, so any of these players who made professional appearances two or more years ago are notable. It should be the nominator's responsibility to check this and remove all of the relevant cases. As for the person who stated that reserve teams play in the Segunda Division - first, that's factually incorrect, because Real Madrid Castilla were relegated to the Tercera Division last season, while Malaga B was forced to move down a division when their parent club, Malaga CF, were relegated to the Segunda Division themselves. So there are currently no reserve teams in the Segunda Division (not to mention I still believe it's a notable league even if reserve teams can potentially join it). ugen64 (talk) 21:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Spanish league system, is Primera División (1st level), Segunda División (2nd), Segunda División B (third level), AND Tercera División (4TH level). In Segunda División B, the league was divided into 4 groups of 20. It is the same level as Regionalliga (football), but numbers of teams is doubled. It is also discussing in section "Notability of Football biographies" in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Matthew_hk t c 21:52, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact is, Real Oviedo played in Segunda División B in 2005/07 and Tercera División in 2004/05 season. And above players, were not given a reliable source, as they played regular, and at least two or more season in Segunda División B, or onve played in higher level. Matthew_hk t c 22:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Actually, there are "B" teams in the Segunda B (Third Level). Real Oviedo hasn't played above the Segunda B in several seasons. The key question here is whether playing in the Segunda B (third level of Spanish football) confers notability. I think Matthew_hk is correct that the level is similar to the German Regionaliga. If playing in the Regionaliga confers notability, so too should the Segunda B. The Tercera (4th level) is comparable to the German oberliga (which I doubt confers notability). Jogurney (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep for Iker Lasarte. I did some research and found a reliable source that shows he has played in the Segunda B (third level) last season for Villanovense. I cleaned up the article and added the source. I'm not certain that this level of football confers notability (see above), but I noticed some German Regionaliga players do have articles (e.g., Stefan Süß). Perhaps we should save the articles of people that have played in Segunda B until concensus is reached on the notability of playing at Segunda B level? Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Week keep for Fernando Carmona for same reasons at Lasarte. I found a reliable source that shows he played in Segunda B last season to Extremadura. Jogurney (talk) 21:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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