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The result was Keep. Black Kite 18:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Diletta Rizzo Marin[edit]

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Delete Although Miss. Marin is undoubtedly a highly talented individual and I am sure will eventually warrant a wikipedia article, I think this article is somewhat premature. She has not yet appeared with a major opera company, instead only at festivals. She also has only performed one major role. She has also not won any major competitions or participated in any significant Young Artist Programs. In short, she is just at the beginning of her career and has not even begun to truly establish herself in the field. At this point she is just one of many up and coming talents who may or may not achieve greatness. I'm not expecting all articles on opera singers to be on ones who are highly famous or sung at the Metropolitan Opera or recorded tons of CDs but I do think that the performer should have at least performed a role with an opera company at some point. A handful of festival appearances and a few magazine articles and a tv appearance that, lets face it, was gotten through family connections hardly seems to me to be noteworthy enough. Nrswanson (talk) 14:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Although you don't explicitly use the word here, I'm assuming that you have nominated this article for deletion on the grounds that the subject is not notable. If that is the case, then it is important to separate the concept of notability as defined by Wikipedia's guidelines and other concepts such as length and breadth of career, whether or not the singer got engagements because of family connections, whether they were praised or panned by the critics. I'm going to quote here the relevant part from the notability guidelines for musicians:
A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one (my emphasis) of the following criteria:
  1. It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.
In what way is this not the case here? Both her debut solo recital in 2004 and her role debut in La sonnambula in 2007 received multiple coverage in the main Spanish newspapers. (She was also covered in the regional Spanish press, e.g. El Diario Montañés, but I only referenced to the national 'newspapers of record' in the article.) She has also been featured on the cover of a well-known (in Italy) specialist publication - Il Corriere del Teatro. I'm sure if I had access to the main hard-copy opera publications in Spain such as Ópera Actual and Ritmo, even more reviews of her performances would be found.
Note that in past deletion discussions for singers at the start of their careers, such as this one and this one, the primary issue was the complete absence of "multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable". In the absence of that, the other facts you've mentioned, e.g. won a major competition, has sung in a notable opera house or festival or with a notable orchestra, recordings with a major record company, etc. were looked at and in those cases were also found to be lacking. In other words they were alternative criteria to be used if the multiple independent coverage one could not be met. They weren't (and aren't) requirements that must be met in addition to multiple independent coverage. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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