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The result was delete, a WP:SNOW close. After the deletion, a redirect will be created.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:29, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos[edit]

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Insufficiently notable for a standalone BLP; article is mostly about the Perth Group in any case: any usable remnant to be merged there. Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 08:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why would you think that someone who has influenced government policy in South Africa and played a role in a high-profile legal case is not notable? Note that this is a comment, not yet a keep vote. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 08:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- She is one of many who are said to have had that influence, and that can be perfectly well covered in the Perth Group article, the HIV/AIDS in South Africa article, or elsewhere (as suggested). However, Papadopulos-Eleopulos herself is not sufficiently notable as a subject for a biographical article. Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 09:07, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think the fact that other people may also have been influential on the South African government takes away the importance of Papadopulos-Eleopulos being influential on the South African government. I'm concerned that there is a rush to delete this article simply because people dislike and/or disagree with the article subject. People should feel free to dislike or disagree with the subjects of articles, but it's absolutely never a valid reason for deletion. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 16:54, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Most of the article duplicates The Perth Group. Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos has no notability outside the activities of The Perth Group (which consists of 2 or 3 people). Even the activities of The Perth Group have very borderline notability, with a handful of news sources describing their attempt to give evidence at a trial. -- 101.119.14.20 (talk) 11:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agree with nomination. Is there any RS that states Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos had any influence on South African gov't policy as an individual? An purported influence was as a member of a group that was a part of a panel. That the subject was among a group, disqualified from testifying at a trial is not notable wrt to the subject as an individual and discredits the subject as a expert, much less a notable one. I don't see any information not covered in The Perth Group and HIV/AIDS denialism. I see no support for notability of the subject as an individual. Per WP policy the subject is notable for only one thing which is already the subject of another article and is adequately covered in the two articles mentioned. An uncredentialed fringe theorist with minimal publication who was found by a judge as completely unqualified to testify at a trial who and who has been explicitly described as not working on HIV/AIDS research by their employer seems clearly deletable. - - MrBill3 (talk) 12:08, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- What does the fact that her views are fringe have to do with anything? You seem to be implying that Papadopulos-Eleopulos isn't notable because her views are fringe. That's not actually how things work. There are plenty of subjects - creationism, for example - that are obviously seen as "fringe" by the scientific establishment, but which are in fact extremely notable, because they are widely debated and influential. Hopefully, you wouldn't support deletion of articles about creationists simply because creationism is a non-mainstream view, so why would the fact that Papadopulos-Eleopulos's views are non-mainstream count against her? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 16:44, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I said at FTN it was probably worth keeping, but actually, no I haven't seen any evidence of notability. Itsmejudith (talk) 12:23, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per MrBill and nom. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:07, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable outside the activities of the Perth Group. LuckyLouie (talk) 15:28, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with possible redirect to Perth Group. No indication that the subject is notable outside of her 'contributions' as a member of the Group. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:35, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think a redirect would be fine yeah. Dbrodbeck (talk) 15:51, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Perth Group. WegianWarrior (talk) 16:13, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and then make a redirect. I suggest closing this with SNOW--I can not imagine any other result. DGG ( talk ) 00:05, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (SNOW close) completely then make a redirect. I also can't see this being kept. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:05, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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