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The result was merge to List of Dune characters. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Erasmus (Dune)

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This fictional character from the later Dune series has failed to accrue any secondary sources. Deprodded with the edit summary "prominent character in notable series". I disagree; the later Dune series is not as important as the ones Frank Herbert wrote himself, and if that bothers people, then notability (and non-notability) is not inherited anyway. The character is not "prominent" because it has not been the topic of any secondary source (regardless of the role it plays in the books; the fact that this character has been ignored just means the books are not "prominent" either. Sorry if that doesn't synch up with somebody's feelings about the books. Abductive (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. —Abductive (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree wholeheartedly with the above; DELETE with extreme prejudice! --SandChigger (talk) 09:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Legends of Dune or Thinking machines (Dune)#Legends of Dune, both of which mention the character/plotline (as do the articles of all three Legends novels). This plot rehash is really unnecessary.— TAnthony^Talk 17:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Dune is frequently cited as the best selling sci fi books of all time, the series of books as a whole is well loved by critics and millions of readers. According to an independent source now added to the article, Erasmus is an important character in the context of the entire series. (its revealed Erasmus is Marty who appeared right at the end of Frank Herberts last book, and that Erasmus was one of the driving figures who triggered the Butlerian Jihad mentioned in the first Dune book as being one of the key events shaping the universes civilisation. ) FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment so this article on Daniel and Marty is redundant, then? Abductive (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Any notability of this character and Omnius can (or may already be) asserted in Legends of Dune, Thinking machines, and Daniel and Marty (all more significant/notable topics/articles). This article is a somewhat exhaustive rehash of plot info covered elsewhere in a more streamlined form. And by the way, not much of the info in this article is necessary to "understand the character" in the context of its arguable importance in the "man versus machine" theme.— TAnthony^Talk 21:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be too many characters with their own pages from the later Dune series when compared to the earlier Dune series. The earlier Dune characters have all kinds of analysis; [1], [2] and [3], and of course, were played in movies and the TV show by the likes of Susan Sarandon (Wensicia Corrino). Abductive (talk) 21:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Partly as not all agree Daniel and Marty are really the two sentient machines there's some justification for seperate articles. I dont see overlap of content as a problem as long as there isnt a severe POV fork, it can be useful to hear the same information in different voices. Still I see the points you guys are making, I guess it wont be a total injustice if the article gets lasgunned :-( FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Completely non-notable. A (small) entry in the relevant book article(s) is all that's required. DropShadow (talk) 17:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to the List of Dune characters. The "critical assessment" section doesn't show notability since none of the discussions are focusing on this character, but it is well-cited so the information should be preserved in the main list. The background information is overly detailed and doesn't offer any citations for verification, so that shouldn't be merged as it constituted original research. Them From Space 22:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge The main characters in the original series are notable enough for separate articles; the others are not. DGG (talk) 05:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to the List of Dune characters per ThemFromSpace.--AuthorityTam (talk) 18:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.