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The result was Delete. Hut 8.5 21:52, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Erika Tazawa[edit]
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No substance at all to suggest the independent notability and my searches are not finding anything better. SwisterTwister talk 21:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:18, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:18, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:54, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Classical music. Voceditenore (talk) 11:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: this site suggests a lot more notability, possibly. I am not familiar enough with the competitions and awards to evaluate it accurately. I think we need to call over some classical music editors to check this out. Montanabw(talk) 04:37, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- This seems a minor competition (takes place in church halls apparently), and there is no coverage of the competition from major sources or institutions as far as I can see from Googling. It does not imo contribute to making the article subject notable and I would be in favour of delete.--Smerus (talk) 07:21, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This fails GNG for English language sources. I'm pinging MSJapan to ask if there are any Japanese sources available. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete
Comment I'm here via Montanabw's query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music. I've done a pretty through search including the specialist music press via my subscription to HighBeam Research. While undoubtedly accomplished and with the possibility of having a significant and notable career as a pianist in the future, there is simply not enough here to support a stand-alone article. Since there is no significant coverage of this person in independent sources, we'd have to rely on passing one of the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. The profile at Classical Pianists of the Future is for one of the artists which they are promoting, and not at all independent of the subject. None of the awards are notable. There is no evidence of performances in major concert venues or festivals (and not even reviews available for the minor ones—I've looked). There is only one recording as a soloist. The label, Belarca Records, is very marginally notable if at all, and was basically founded by William Susman to promote his own compositions and his Octet Ensemble (both those articles are very poor, referenced largely to Amazon pages, etc., as is the one on their first recording Scatter My Ashes). There is a a considerable overlap in the creators and main editors of all three of those articles and of Erika Tazawa. The article under consideration here was created shortly after the release of her Belarca cd, Rhythm of Silence. Excerpts from the CD were played once on a local radio station KPFA [1]. KBFA is not part of NPR. I can find no evidence of her recording or performances ever being broadcast by the BBC or NPR. I'm going to hold off on a final opinion in case something else surfaces, but at the moment I'm leaning pretty strongly to deletion. In my view, the other articles in this "suite" should also be carefully scrutinized. Voceditenore (talk) 11:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Updated my comment above to a definite delete. Nothing has emerged which indicates that the subject passes either WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG Voceditenore (talk) 14:20, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- In view of Voceditenore's comments above (... considerable overlap in the creators and main editors of all three of those articles and of Erika Tazawa) I initiated Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Susman / Sommacal hoping this would bring some clarity on whether or not there are undiclosed COIs that needs to be taken into consideration for this AfD. Otherwise, on first sight, I'd say delete per the analyses provided above by Smerus and Voceditenore. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure there probably is some COI editing going on, but that isn't a consideration in the decision to delete an article if the subject is notable, unless the article is such a blatant advert that it would need to be completely rewritten, which is not the case here. The primary problem is there is no evidence that subject meets the inclusion critera. Voceditenore (talk) 13:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Wasn't implying a direct influence (otherwise I wouldn't have started a separate topic on a noticeboard), but I can, for instance, see a potentially COI editor being invited to this AfD (as it happens the same editor who successfully counteracted the deletion of another article of the same pool of connected articles – as it happens a biography of one of the composers of Tazawa's CD) – In the case such editor would cast a !vote here, it would make a difference, when assessing the weight of that opinion, whether there is a COI or not. So, for this AfD, just a heads up for what may result from the COIN thread. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:27, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, possibly there is a fourth editor in the pool: this editor created an article on yet another composer of Tazawa's CD, but that article has since been deleted (see User talk:Contemporarymuslover#Proposed deletion of Francesco di fiore). Lacking the edit history of the deleted article I wasn't sure whether to add them to the COIN thread (and finally didn't because they have only one remaining edit). --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:59, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I'm not voting because I'm only providing sources and don't have time to dig on this otherwise at present. There's a few Japanese sources. I've sourced her name in Japanese, but that source doesn't confer notability - I only used it because it's an independent entry unrelated to the subject. There's a focused article here which is mirrored here (just so nobody thinks they're different). There's also a list of concert dates in Japan here, bnack from 2003-04. She also gets a mention for a concert at the Japanese Embassy in Atlanta here as a member of the ensemble "Kanade" that is performing. Kanade gets a performace reference for a festival here, with coverage here and here, mirror of #2, for it. MSJapan (talk) 18:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This is a GNG fail. Apart from the article in the Japanese community magazine, the rest seems to be all trivial and routine coverage. Concert dates and simply being part of an ensemble doesn't confer notability. I don't see any notable albums either. Overall, the illusion of the WP:WALLEDGARDEN deceived me for a while, but now it is a clear delete. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:39, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete per the [{TOOSOON]] assessment of the classical music editors. I am willing to reconsider my position should additional source material be found. Montanabw(talk) 00:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion about other related WP:WALLEDGARDEN articles and COI (recommend !voters to read it) |
- Originally I had said, at the William Susman AfD, that I didn't think Belarca Records would be viable as stand-alone article, however, this may be sufficient independent reliable sources on their CDs for such article:
- So the article could be somewhat like this: its lead section about the label's founder and the Naxos distribution;
- First section about artists and ensembles: current AfD articles that may redirect to this section:
- Also the formerly deleted Francesco Di Fiore may redirect here
- Second section about the label's releases. Current AfDs that may redirect here:
- Other titles can be made into redirects to this section too.
- (sorry for the unusual presentation of this plan: I created this reply on a separate page in my userspace in order to post it as a template on several AfDs concurrently) --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The problem with this, if I have understood you correctly, is that Belarca Records is not a notable label and currently redirects to William Susman, who at least has a marginal notability. It is basically no different than a self-published book. It has very few recordings, and all of them including or devoted to Susman's work. And note that it is marketed through Naxos Direct, which, as has been pointed out. is no different to Amazon or CDBaby. It is not a sub-label of Naxos Records. Finally, small labels like this draw their notability from the notability of the artists and ensembles who record for them. If none of them are independently notable, then neither is the label. In my view, this is not helpful. The decision should be made on each of the artist/ensemble articles separately. This kind of transclusion of a sub-discussion also causes a potential mess in AfDs. Voceditenore (talk) 09:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I'll "subst:" the template content to the AfD pages in order to avoid creating AfD confusion. Can we keep the centralised discussion on this idea
at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Susman#William Susman here then (no need to do the same discussion over in the different places)? --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- William Susman seems likely to survive its AfD: the "Plan" above (resucitate Belarca Records as a separate article) might still be applied, in which case Erika Tazawa might be converted into a redirect to that article. I'm not sure myself whether that would be a good idea, but I suppose here is the place to discuss such ideas right now. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- No it isn't. Take it to the Belarca AfD or Belarca talk if it's about the Belarca article. We never "centralize" discussion on AfDs, because once the AfD closes, that's it. MSJapan (talk) 05:10, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. None of the reference sources included in the article constitutes anything approaching the "in-depth third-party coverage" normally demanded for biographical articles. --DAJF (talk) 12:46, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NMUSIC .Non notable pianist who has just released her debut solo album in 2016 with only an earlier appearance in 2011.A case of WP:TOOSOON at best.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:47, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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