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The result was Keep as withdrawn. — _Maggot^Syn 11:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Federer versus Nadal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Arb name (ie. why not "Nadal versus Federer"). Not notable for own article. All details are simply forked from each players respective articles. Some of this can be moved to 2008 Wimbledon Championships - Men's Singles. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 20:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think the notability of this article is without a doubt and don't see why it shouldn't qualify if it is well written and referenced. Federer vs Nadal capital letter first I don't think that is a POV issue. Do we have an article on Sampras vs Agassi or Bjorg vs McCanroe? This are undoubtedly important rivalries in tennis. I don't think it is suitable to move it all to 2008 chamionship as Wimbledon 2008 was only a part of the history between the two which goes back 5 years at least. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 20:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are no other tennis rivalry articles. The article is not reliable sourced, with some links to YouTube. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 20:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - But there are numerous other rivalry articles. IE:Boston Red Sox vs New York Yankees, Celtics vs. Lakers, ect. Federer vs Nadal has shaped Tennis for the last three or four years and has been notable due to the public's reaction and attention to it. As to why its Federer vs Nadal instead of Nadal vs Federer, that's fairly simple, Federer comes before Nadal in the alphabet.JohnWycliff (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, the fact that other sports rivalry articles exist is no argument to keep this one. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 21:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The rivalry easily satisfies the two main pillars of a Wiki-article: WP:RS and WP:V. Notability is already established via the reporting by said reliable sources. This isn't a rivalry conjured up in someone's blog. According to Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, whether a tennis rivalry article exists or not is no valid argument for or against inclusion. --Madchester (talk) 20:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was answering the question by Blofeld of SPECTRE ("Do we have an article on Sampras vs Agassi or Bjorg vs McCanroe?"). I wasn't using it as an argument. I don't see how the notability is backed up by reliable sources, that is not to say that the nature of this rivalry is reliably asserted. I.e. matches played, won/lost. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 21:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. WP:OSE refutes the argument that b/c something does/doesn't exist it deserves/doesn't deserve an article. As for sourcing issues, that can be addressed via a simple ((unsourced))/((refimprove)) template; not by jumping to the AFD process. --Madchester (talk) 21:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Federer-Nadal rivalry. Clearly notable enough for an article, especially after today. However, it should be moved to match the other rivalry articles mentioned. I agree that some references aren't reliable and this could use some cleanup, but these can be fixed and are not reasons to delete. Also, I don't see how this can be merged into 2008 Wimbledon Championships when only one line is about today's final. I'm not worried about this being a fork since both players' bios are overloaded with tournament details. Giants2008 (talk) 22:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and Move to Federer-Nadal rivalry. PRRfan (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - For all the reasons Madchester gave above. Thecomaboy (talk) 22:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - For all reasons above. --Sli723 (talk) 22:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This will go down as one of the absolute greatest (if not the #1 greatest) tennis rivalry of all time. They have been #1 and #2 simultaneously for the longest time ever, competed in 3 consecutive French Open and Wimbledon finals, along with several other records. This is extremely notable and it would be wrong for this encyclopedia not to have an article devoted to this storied rivalry. The number of articles that pertain directly to their rivalry is a testament to its notability. Supertigerman (talk) 23:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Acknowledged as one of the greatest rivalries, if not the greatest rivalry, in tennis. However, article should be renamed to "Federer-Nadal rivalry" to match other rivalry articles like Red Sox-Yankees rivalry. —Lowellian (reply) 00:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Isn't having a single rivalry article better than having a (potentially large) rivalry section in each player's article? Toomai Glittershine (talk) 01:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename per above NewYork483 (talk) 03:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - these two guys have made plenty of headlines playing against each other. As such it clearly passes both notability and verifiability --T-rex 04:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Smuckers (talk) 08:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- Just don't understand why this article should be removed. --Jorditxei (talk) 10:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - For all the reasons above. -- Nick C (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Snow Keep for all reasons above and just end this Frank Anchor ^{Talk to me} 15:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Federer-Nadal rivalry, as above. Axl (talk) 17:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Solid collection of information that will greatly benefit visitors to the website. I found it far more useful than the respective pages or the Wimbledon page itself. Yanksox (talk) 02:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Easily satisifies WP:N, there are several realiable sources referring to this rivalry as perhaps the greatest ever in men's tennis, for example, here and here.Pawnkingthree (talk) 09:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and yes, rename to Federer-Nadal rivalry. Reasons as Supertigerman said. Jr888 (talk) 10:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw - keep (per consensus) - Okay already! Perhaps I was getting fogged by the article name, which seems a bit strange. I also felt this was a kneejerk reaction to contemperary news story, but I didn't realise this went back a bit. Can we all agree on a name change for this article to Federer-Nadal rivalry? Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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