The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sandstein 12:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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As with the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Felony Flats previous AfD:

• WP:NOTDICT

And I will also throw in:

• WP:LIBEL, &
• WP:LISTV

The article content has barely changed since the previous AfD. Before it was a definition and a list of (4) places, and now it is a definition and a list of (6) places. Excelsiorsbanjo (talk) 08:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Thanks for the pointer here, Excelsiorsbanjo. Man, how time flies. I'm on the fence here. I think the current version of the article makes a better case as a viable SIA than did the one I AfD'd in my first few weeks as an editor. @Cnilep: It was your idea to merge back then; any thoughts on the current version? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 10:51, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Funny, I don't remember the discussion from 2012, but I do agree with, um, me from back then: Wikipedia articles should treat concepts rather than the labels that name them (but see WP:WORDISSUBJECT). I don't see clear evidence in the current article that Felony Flats is something other than a regional phrase naming "areas... perceived to have high crime rates". If the phrase qua phrase is notable, or if it is specific "lens" through which human geography is analyzed, then the article needs sources establishing that. Cnilep (talk) 03:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• To me, the primary problem is that it is libelous. There are certain unavoidable cases, things we arguably, I suppose, can't not cover. We have listed at Felony Flats the article Felony Flats, Aberdeen, Washington, which apparently, due to Kurt Cobain's notability, is also widely known and itself notable. Shifting a little, we have at skid row mention that the (titular) term may well have originated in places like Seattle, where skid row is no longer skid row. If we look at ghetto, we list nazi ghettos and other notable ghettos of history. What I don't really see at these articles is perceptibly an effort to maintain a list of places some people actively want to refer to as skid row or ghetto. I do see that at Felony Flats. I see a list of places where people live that certain people are dedicated to referring to by a disparaging nickname. Some of these places are not whole municipalities, only part of one, and the furtherance of these nicknames necessarily creates divisiveness within & among a single municipality. Briefly I considered removing only these partial locations from this list, but the more I thought about it, the more I couldn't really see why almost any needed to be listed so. Is it encyclopedic to list which neighborhoods are disparaged upon in a hyperlocalized fashion? Which neighborhoods are disparaged upon in individual cities, among that city only?
  I think a disambiguation page linking to skid row, with a simple reference to the phrase felony flats, and also perhaps a link to the Aberdeen article (as long as it exists), would do nicely. Something like this (NB: I have not dealt with many disambiguation pages, so any potential error in form is not intentional):

Felony flats may refer to:

• A derogatory nickname of areas in several cities in the Western United States historically perceived to have high crime rates. They are usually near a river or creek with corresponding flat area—"Flats" is not related to the Commonwealth term meaning "Apartments".((references here)) See skid row.
• Felony Flats, Aberdeen, Washington, one such place notable for being the childhood home of Kurt Cobain.

Excelsiorsbanjo (talk) 04:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - seem to fail WP:WORDISSUBJECT, and I'm unconvinced that it meets WP:SIA. I don't see a need for a disambiguation page, unless there's a good source to cite for the definition (rather than sources for instances of the phrase). I'll watchlist this discussion in case I'm swayed by further contributions. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: This is just not encyclopedic but an indiscriminate collection of information. Likely every poor area of a town or city has a "derogatory nickname" be it skid row, slums, shanty town, Ghetto, slum town, Gravy Bend, Poverty Flats, Poche town, or Felony Flats. -- Otr500 (talk) 01:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this potentially libelous, dangerous, skimpy list of indiscrimination information lacking objective and consistent definition. Google search of the term produces too many other meanings. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 06:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.