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The result was redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony. MBisanz ^talk 00:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable music group is competing actively in the second season of The X Factor. Therefore, it fails WP:N and WP:MUSIC. ApprenticeFan ^work 14:38, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to The X Factor (U.S. season 2). To date, the group's notability seems to come entirely from the show, so a redirect seems appropriate until (if) they gain coverage independently.  Gongshow ^Talk 17:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony. Based on the notability of this group, they don't need to have a separate page as of yet. If Fifth Harmony deserves to have a separate page, does it mean that we should all create pages for the rest of Top 16 finalists just because "they are finalists on a national television talent show and they have songs on iTunes store"? If that is the case, what's the use of this page List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)? This page is created for a reason!Yonglaytan (talk) 02:34, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect. Mostly per ApprenticeFan and Yonglaytan. The group are not notable outside of The X Factor, so WP:ONEEVENT applies. Having a huge fanbase doesn't change that either. - JuneGloom Talk 17:46, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I've literally have been blocked from my IP address and wanted to let you know okay I give do whatever you want because I don't want to start a confrontation with you anemoneprojectors! I'm just really done with you so the battle is over cause I don't care like literally if I wasn't blocked I would have said that but since I was I'm saying that now. Happy? You want to delete it for whatever reason even though there are still people on here who opposite to it being redirected as well as people who agree with it. Another thing I noticed is that you feel as if you have more control over X Factor article's and that your opinion matters the most which in fact it doesn't? Your just a hater like all the others that oppose it and the only "real" reason why Carly Rose is the only contestant with an article is not because she's been in films and on broadway but because she is the most liked contestant on the X Factor. You might disagree with this but it's true! If that we're truly the case then we would also see Beatrice Miller and Diamond White with articles because clearly they have been in way more movies than she has. This is all not fair but its okay I'm allowing you to do what you want because like I said I'm done fighting a battle and just know that everyone does have input to say about X factor articles and their opinion's matter just as much as your does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.220.230 (talk) 00:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I'd just like to note that the Carly Rose Sonenclar article was created well before she was a contestant on the X Factor. 121.217.248.211 (talk) 02:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• • I feel like 69.76.220.230's argument could be countered by WP:OTHERCRAP. ZappaOMati 04:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per nom. 121.217.248.211 (talk) 02:27, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Exactly and the only reason why her's is still up there and all the others are not is because she is liked you still can't get around why she is the only contestant that has an article because you can't simply explain that "other contestants from the show are notable as well Beatrice Miller has had roles in movies such as Toy Story, Ice Age, and many famous movie but she can't have an article. I'm telling you how it is Carly Rose is not any more notable than The X Factor contestants. for example Normani Hamilton had an article that got taken down when she competeted on the show no one has said anything about that yet either? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.220.230 (talk) 03:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only one vote per IP address, right? This user seems to have something against Carly Rose Sonenclar and brings her up in every discussion about Fifth Harmony. Carly Rose is irrelevant here.184.161.227.119 (talk) 04:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:OTHERCRAP appears to apply to this. ZappaOMati 02:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fifth Haromy will perform at the Jingle Jam on New Year's Eve that's something worth notable for outside of The X Factor. That's in front of millions of people as well! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welcometothenewmillenium (talk • contribs) 03:49, 3 December 2012 (UTC) — Welcometothenewmillenium (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

How are you so sure that there will be a million people, and can you provide a source for it? ZappaOMati 02:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect. Until the group has success outside of The X-Factor, they should simply redirect to the list of contestants like the other groups this year do. They were formed on the X-Factor and are not widely known to those who don't watch the show. They may merit a page later, but they do not need one now. As the user below me states, the lone objector appears to be one IP address.184.161.227.119 (talk) 04:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: It appears that the lone objector here, using the IP address 69.76.220.230, is participating in block evasion. Indeed, he actually admits as much: "I've literally have been blocked from my IP address". 121.217.248.211 (talk) 09:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony - they are not notable outside of The X Factor so do not require a stand-alone article; an entry in the list of finalists is fine and they would still be included in Wikipedia. –anemoneprojectors– 13:24, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The group has developed a huge fan base, have made it to the final 6, will perform in front of millions at the Jingle Jam on New Year's Eve, Normani is famous for modeling, the page has many resources. --Zannabanna (talk) 21:58, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again, nothing that makes the band notable outside of The X Factor. –anemoneprojectors– 10:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:35, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep You keep saying that these girls are not notable outside of The X Factor but yet no one has said anything about Normani Hamilton she is yes indeed in fact notable outside of The X Factor she is a beauty pageant contestant and has won various events in that and gymnastics as well and competes nationally. On the side she sings, acts, dances, and ballets. That sounds like a triple threat right there! I've said numerous times that yes at one point in time she did have an article just like little Carly Rose did but got deleted when she competed on the show. You ask and say that they are not notable well she is! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welcometothenewmillenium (talk • contribs) 03:39, 4 December 2012‎‎ (UTC)— Welcometothenewmillenium (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Then she should have her own article. A group is not famous simply because one of their members competed in pageants and gymnastics. There's a difference between experience and notability, just because someone has won a few events and competed nationally in gymnastics doesn't mean they should get their own page. I cannot find any sources about Fifth Harmony that are not X-Factor related (which is to be expected as they were formed on the show). This seems to be an open/shut case to me. Also, stop voting every time you comment, please. 184.161.227.119 (talk) 04:39, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Teen Choice 2013 is thinking about nominating Fifth Harmony for a category and the category is still pending as we speak. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welcometothenewmillenium (talk • contribs) 05:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC) — Welcometothenewmillenium (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. -- Multiple !votes from same user. 121.217.248.211 (talk) 12:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where is your source for this? I can't find anything about the Teen Choice Awards (for next year, which is months away) and their intentions to nominate Fifth Harmony for a category. Speculation is not good enough to keep a page.184.161.227.119 (talk) 05:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony - Not yet notable outside of The X Factor. Unless the group wins or becomes a finalist and does something notable outside of the show, not really notable now. ZappaOMati 02:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• I will also note that they are in fact finalists on the show and are notable for stuff you just assume that their not which is why we should keep this up! User:Welcometothenewmillenium
  • Missed my point. Yes, they are finalists, but I meant in the top 3, as in the finale. Also, I'm not assuming they're not notable. I'm saying that they aren't notable outside of the show. Take notice of the word "for now". I'm not saying they're notable NOW, but they could be notable after the show, if they get a recording contract, etc. ZappaOMati 04:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree 100% with what your saying! ;) User:Welcometothenewmillenium —Preceding undated comment added 05:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They made it to the simi-finals and are currently competiting in the top 4 right now. User:Welcometothenewmillenium 10:04 pm December 6, 2012 (UtC)

• Which has no relevance as to whether they should remain as a separate article. 121.217.248.211 (talk) 05:38, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• ZappaOMati said that if the girls make it all the way to top 3 or simi-finals that they should have their own article which they did? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welcometothenewmillenium (talk • contribs)
  • They shouldn't, because that would not change their notabilty. They would still not be notable outside of The X Factor. If they WIN, then yes, they can have a stand-alone article. –anemoneprojectors– 10:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, I never said anything about the semifinals. ZappaOMati 23:05, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. Not notable unless they win or release music in the future. Unreal7 (talk) 22:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Does not fail WP:NMUSIC or WP:ENT: "Has a large fan base or a significant 'cult' following," "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself," "Has won or placed in a major music competition." WP:BIO1E is not the sole standard for notability, nor is it a relatively strict standard or one well-designed to apply to the nature of 21st century celebrity.

Fifteentholive (talk) 23:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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