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The result was Keep and rename to Google bus protests. @pple (☞ talk) 19:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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A non-notable shuttle bus service whose article is being used as a coatrack for coverage of an equally non-notable protest action. The fact that Google runs shuttle buses is not notable enough for an article, and there are no sources in the article to show notablility of the shuttle bus service itself; all of the sources concern the protests. However, none of the sources establishes the long-term notability of the protests. Without good sources for that notability, there's nothing to support an article. Moreover, in the absence of such sources, excessive coverage of protests like this is non-neutral, since it tends to present the protestors' case in Wikipedia's voice. Unless there are more sources forthcoming, this ought to be deleted. Miscellaneous user (talk) 20:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I am the original author of Google Bus and I would recommend deleting the page. The reason is that Joe Decker has convinced me that the so-called primary mission of Wikipedia is to obfuscate the truth and promote official dogma by labeling every idea that the establishment doesn't like as "fringe" and POV. I don't see such a modus operandi as any more enlightened or courageous or intelligent than the abuse and intellectual cowardice that was thrown at Galileo by the Vatican. Wikipedia's censors have their official truth embraced by the corporate 1% that is supported by nothing more than Argument from authority illogic and everything else is POV or FRINGE or "conspiracy theories" that are automatically suspect. If Wikipedia is going to reject the truth then go ahead and remove the article. Solarlive (talk) 01:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The editor above is referring to the discussion here. --j⚛e decker ^talk 01:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Needless to say, spite is not a valid rationale for deletion. GabrielF (talk) 02:27, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The protests might be noteworthy enough to be mentioned briefly in another article (perhaps in San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency?) but otherwise this doesn't seem sufficiently notable. -Iago Qnsi 21:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rename/refactor to article about the associated Protests I think an article about the event (which this pretty much is) could avoid some of the coatracking and political pushings, which gets us down to the question of whether this is a notable series of events. My first gut reaction aside, UK and NYC coverage indicate some level of WP:GEOSCOPE, and the bus stop use fee and coverage thereof are a claim of WP:LASTING. It's too early to tell about WP:PERSISTENCE, but at least there has been more than routine coverage that I've seen, trying to unpack this quite odd little protest effort. While they're always somewhat subjective to judge, it's my view that this is over the usual bar I see being applied to events at AfD. Note that before I saw this AfD I suggested a move in line with this !vote, the requested move discussion is here --j⚛e decker ^talk 23:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Merge~~ to Google. Concept can be covered there. Dough 48 72 02:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree. For one thing protestors have targeted buses used by several companies other than Google. Also, a meaningful discussion of this topic would be out of place in the main Google article. This protest is about issues such as gentrification and class that aren't particularly relevant to an article about a huge global tech company with many diverse products.GabrielF (talk) 02:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to focus on protests. Dough 48 72 00:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rename I agree that the protests are the focus here, not the buses. However, I think the protests are notable. These protests received coverage in major national and international sources - including the NY Times, the Guardian and the Wall Street Journal. The protests do seem to have attracted serious responses from local politicians and from Google (Google recently donated $6.8 million for free transit for low-income kids[1]). GabrielF (talk) 02:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Google Bus Protests or San Francisco Anti-Google Protests or similar. The protests have attracted a lot of serious in-depth journalism across the USA, in the UK, and even Israel (as well as the links on article, there's loads in local press, several on Slate, and see e.g.[2][3][4]), establishing the protests' notability, even though many articles say the protests aren't primarily about the buses. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and cleanup - I agree there were serious POV issues with the content, but the concept of the issue has been a subject of significant public debate and there are clearly enough reliable sources to write a fair article discussing the controversy. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:35, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, clearly. The article was moved on 15 March to "Google bus protests". Consensus above is that the protests are notable, have plenty of coverage. If a further rename is desirable, that is best discussed at a Requested Move at the article's Talk page. --do ncr am 01:24, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The protests are clearly notable, and are the subject of plenty of coverage in reliable news sources. Xoloz (talk) 00:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep, per above. (I've even linked the article here.)--Froglich (talk) 00:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep now that the article has been renamed to better reflect the subject of the article. Google bus protests is clearly notable, with considerable third-party coverage. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Note that the move/rename discussion closed recently with a consensus of "Google bus protests", and that the article has been renamed as a result. --j⚛e decker ^talk 16:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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