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The result was deleted by Ponyo per WP:CSD#G5. (non-admin closure) — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grungecake[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. I've gone through the sources in the article and precisely zero of them appear to contribute towards corporate notability:

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Created with templates ((ORGCRIT assess table)) and ((ORGCRIT assess)) This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Secondary? Overall value toward ORGCRIT GRUNGECAKE's website This is the website of the article subject – WP:ABOUTSELF Moot as clearly non-independent Moot as clearly non-independent Vanguard (Nigeria) (1) Unclear. This might be a press release that was regurgitated by multiple newspapers (see link to Nigeria's The Guardian below) NPP source guide says reliable, though this story doesn't exactly have a byline and reads almost as if a press release While there is coverage of the founder of GRUNGECAKE, Per WP:ORGDEPTH, Sources are not transferable or attributable between related parties ...for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO. Coverage of GRUNGECAKE itself, as a company/platform, is minimal. why not? Jamaica Observer It appears so. Why not? While there is coverage of the founder of GRUNGECAKE, Per WP:ORGDEPTH, Sources are not transferable or attributable between related parties ...for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO. Coverage of GRUNGECAKE itself, as a company/platform, is minimal. why not? Vanguard (Nigeria) 2 I think so? NPP Source guide says reliable While there is coverage of the founder of GRUNGECAKE, Per WP:ORGDEPTH, Sources are not transferable or attributable between related parties ...for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO. Coverage of GRUNGECAKE itself, as a company/platform, is minimal. why not? The Guardian (Nigeria) Unclear. This might be a press release that was regurgitated by multiple newspapers (see first link to The Vanguard of Nigeria above) NPP source guide says reliable While there is coverage of the founder of GRUNGECAKE, Per WP:ORGDEPTH, Sources are not transferable or attributable between related parties ...for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO. Coverage of GRUNGECAKE itself, as a company/platform, is minimal. why not? New Telegraph I think so? why not? GRUNGECAKE is trivially mentioned in ~2 sentences. why not? Independent Nigeria I think so? Why not? GRUNGECAKE is trivially mentioned in passing. why not? iMullar Per WP:ORGIND, in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. This is a raw transcript with an interview of GRUNGECAKE's founder. It's probably faithful to the words of that interview. – There's some discussion of GRUNGECAKE that borders on being significant coverage This is a raw interview, which is definitionally a primary source. The Nation (Nigeria) I think so, though I'm skeptical w.r.t. the independence of the content. NPP Source guide says this is a reliable newspaper While there is coverage of the founder of GRUNGECAKE, Per WP:ORGDEPTH, Sources are not transferable or attributable between related parties ...for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO. Coverage of GRUNGECAKE itself, as a company/platform, is minimal. why not? Lomography There's issues with the independence of the content given the long interview with a non-WP:ORGIND party. They also appear to have sponsored the group by giving them a free camera and then interviewing them after the fact. This is the blog of a camera manufacturer, which is certainly not a WP:NEWSORG. GRUNGECAKE is certainly discussed significantly. – The vast majority of the coverage of GRUNGECAKE comes from verbatim responses in an interview, which is a primary source. The opening paragraph *might* be secondary coverage. GhanaWeb Seems to be independently written Seems like a WP:NEWSORG Grungecake gets trivially mentioned in about two sentences. The coverage is so brief that it's not clear that there's a way to do primary vs secondary source analysis PM News Nigeria Why not? Why not? The coverage of GRUNGECAKE as a company/platform is trivial in light of WP:ORGDEPTH. Some of the coverage appears to be secondary. Blueprint (Nigeria) This appears to be based off a press release and not rewritten, which would impair independence in light of WP:ORGIND why not? While there is coverage of the founder of GRUNGECAKE, Per WP:ORGDEPTH, Sources are not transferable or attributable between related parties ...for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO. Coverage of GRUNGECAKE itself, as a company/platform, is minimal. This appears to be a regurgitation of primary source material rather than secondary coverage This Day This appears to be based off a press release and not rewritten, which would impair independence in light of WP:ORGIND Why not? While there is coverage of the founder of GRUNGECAKE, Per WP:ORGDEPTH, Sources are not transferable or attributable between related parties ...for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO. Coverage of GRUNGECAKE itself, as a company/platform, is minimal. Why not?

Additionally, I'm also not able to find WP:ORGDEPTH-level coverage of GRUNGECAKE form multiple independent RS after conducting an online search. Richardine Bartee, its founder, does appear to have an article, so I propose that this be blanked and redirected to her article, where the topic can be adequately covered. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Websites, Africa, and United States of America. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep it took me a while to read and understand Wikipedia, The website is Grammy recognized and owned by a recording academy board member. The sites has been covered in reliable sources and doesn’t need a very long article for confusion to pass Wikipedia GNG, the site was recognized in 2020 as the number 3 site to find new hip hop music and that is a sure time pass. I don’t just create articles, I read this Wikipedia:WikiProject Magazines/Writing guide very well before starting to create this article. Afternoon Daydream (talk) 05:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC) strike sock-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notability is not inherited from this company’s founder, even though she is clearly notable. That notability of a company is not inherited from notability of its founder is a foundational principle of corporate notability on Wikipedia.
    At minimum, would you please provide a list of WP:THREE sources you believe show this company passes WP:NCORP, and why you believe that their coverage qualifies as WP:SIRS? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I have just changed my mind, I support the redirection you suggested. Afternoon Daydream (talk) 06:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)strike sock.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect I’m the author of the article and as per nominator’s, i support the redirection to Richardine Bartee. Afternoon Daydream (talk) 06:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Richardine Bartee. Makes sense, also lets us keep a copy of the old work should this ever pass WP:NCORP Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 08:31, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Admin note: I've deleted the article per WP:CSD#G5.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Richardine Bartee. NMasiha (talk) 18:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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