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Mahepisa Tjeriko

Mahepisa Tjeriko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Namibian rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players There's lots of coverage in relation to his 2023 Rugby World Cup selection, but I'm not sure if there's enough for a WP:GNG pass here, suitable redirect here per WP:ATD (preffered to linking to the tournament). @Jevansen: was expanding World Cup articles so may be able to find more. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George John Seaton

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No evidence of notability. All the significant sources dealing with the topic are written by the subject. All others simply reference background story and not the subject. Fails WP:GNG . An earlier version was draftified because it lacked any credible claim to notability, so the same authored simply created this new version in mainspace without improving notability.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   15:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - as well as the lack of notability, the whole thing reads like a school essay. Or maybe from a chat-bot. This is highlighted by the following comment in the lede: "This article explores George John Seaton's life as a prisoner, slave, and man. It will include researched documentation as well as information from his personal book, Isle of the Damned, to piece together the story of this man's intriguing life."--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Evans Brima Gbemeh (via WP:PROD on 11 September 2023)

20 August 1955 Stadium (El Oued)

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Stub article about a non notable football stadium. I have redirected it to the parent club US Souf where all the info already exists but the creator objects. Mccapra (talk) 11:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to US Souf as it is primarily a football stadium; it is not even mentioned at El Oued. GiantSnowman 12:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Penton Keah

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not notable by any measure. There is only one source from Sudans Post that mentions his name, which is a news outlet that belongs to his brother! Other than that, not even in-passing mentions. FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep a basic internet search shows he is clearly notable in South Sudan. Probably not notable outside of South Sudan, but global notability is not a requirement of WP:SIGCOV and national coverage is enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributor892z (talk • contribs) 13:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please share that simple search?

  i above included a search with zero results FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @FuzzyMagma: I really mean as simple as that [1]. You can quickly see that he has 1.8 million followers on Facebook, which is almost double the 1.0 million followers on Facebook that Jeremy Clarkson has, and nearly everyone in the UK knows who Jeremy Clarkson is. Contributor892z (talk) 21:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Contributor892z: WP:GOOGLEHITS, WP:IKNOWIT. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Eagles247: my point is the absolute opposite of WP:IKNOWIT. I never heard of the subject until this delete discussion. But then I searched his name and concluded that he must be a notable person in South Sudan, and this is exactly what his bio article is saying. Contributor892z (talk) 13:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Eagles247: and WP:GOOGLEHITS is completely not applicable here. I’m using number of followers, a very objective measure of quality of the hit, and concluding that this number is consistent with the number of a notable person in South Sudan. Unless we change the rules of Wikipedia and say that notability only counts for people that appear in Western media, we need to use other tools to ascertain the notability of people that do not appear in Western media. Contributor892z (talk) 13:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Contributor892z this is not a popularity contest fandom website, if that was the case, we would have written only about Youtubers and TikTokers.

  Please take a look to WP:42, these are the very basic criteria.

  This individual did not receive a significant coverage from multiple reliable and independent sources. As I mentioned in the nom, the two mentions comes from his brother (if not himself, as he is one of the founders of the Sudan Post, so not independent. And you are talking about Facebook followers, which is not a criteria for notability.

  Your whole reason for a keep is not a reason, and your comment should be stricken down as you clearly have no clue what WP:SIGCOV entails.

  As I said, if you can show, (and this is the bare minimum), significant coverage from multiple reliable and independent sources, then please enlighten us. And please check Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources before mentioning Facebook again. FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @FuzzyMagma: such an unnecessary aggression! your comment should be stricken down as you clearly cannot have a dialogue with someone that has a different point of view. South Sudan is a country ravaged by war, the world youngest country. This subject has set up with his brother what is arguably the only independent news outlet of South Sudan. No country in the world seems to care about South Sudan. There is only one independent news source. How can any of those rules that you mention be possibly applicable? I'm not talking here about fandom website! I'm talking about using publicly available evidence to establish that someone is notable in a country that nobody in the West cares about. According to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources (which I know very well, by the way), you can't use Facebook as news source because it's self published with no editorial oversight. But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying! I'm using reliable information, independent of the subject, available on Facebook to show that this person has fulfilled requirement number 2 of WP:ENTERTAINER, namely: "The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." which field? social media in South Sudan! Contributor892z (talk) 17:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  you understand that is not a reliable source? Your opinion and google search is not a reliable source. do you understand that?

  read WP:Original research please, and please stop patronising me. FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Contributor892z, you claim that FuzzyMagma's comment (which is correct about notability btw) is uncivil, but then you proceed to write an extremely aggressive comment which ignores policy. Facebook cannot be used as a source. " using reliable information, independent of the subject, available on Facebook " is the very definition of using a source. It does not matter if there is only 1 reliable outlet in South Sudan, if it's connected to him its not independent and thus cannot be used to establish notability. You have the gall to claim that you understand perennial sources, only to immediately contradict it, and say it doesn't apply. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Industrial Insect: and @FuzzyMagma: this will be my last comment to prevent this discussion from becoming even more uncivil than already is. I’m not patronising anyone, not doing original research and not having an opinion. I’m just using a counter, which is a matter of fact and can be independently checked and audited by anyone. Whether I like the subject of this article or not, and whether I agree if his person is notable or not, this person has irrefutable evidence of having provided a contribution to a field of entertainment that is bigger than the contribution of other entertainers that are certain to stay in Wikipedia forever. Therefore, my assessment of keep stays.Contributor892z (talk) 19:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) You have NOT proven the subject has satisfied WP:ENTERTAINER in any way. You've only explained the vague notion of "social media in South Sudan".

2) Even if you had, it must be verified by an independent, reliable source. Neither Facebook, nor the newspaper written by his brother can count towards this. Industrial Insect (talk) 13:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fuad Abdella

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WP:BLP footballer in Ethiopia with no international caps and only 9 league games, for a bottom team in the league, I don't see it as having any chance to pass WP:GNG (and little future chance to do so as to warrant drafticitation). Geschichte (talk) 09:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - I'm confused as to why the article was even created as there doesn't seem to be any claim to notability. I can't find any coverage in English or Amharic about him. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 11:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not enough international experience to supersede lack of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 03:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fidous Yakubu

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Ghanaian women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. The article was previously draftified before being moved back into the mainspace by the original creator. JTtheOG (talk) 07:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete This was obviously moved back to the mainspace prematurely, but given that it was draftified and clearly did not improve during that incubation, the failure of WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG is even more pronounced. Anwegmann (talk) 17:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC and WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 19:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vicky Goswami

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Non notable person, unclaimed married person and there’s no claim 100% which makes in Durg criminal HarshalDhotre06 (talk) 15:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Håvar Bauck

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Bio appears promotional, lacks verification from reputable sources, and does not meet the General Notability Guidelines BoraVoro (talk) 11:05, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP - There seems to be more than enough references that are reliable and the notability criteria is met with significant, non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of each other to keep a posting about Håvar Bauck .I think that the page certainly is within the realm of the spirit of Wikipedia. Felixgfive (talk) 10:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Subject easily passes WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Article is clearly written in WP:NPOV. He is also a recognized voice of the travel industry in Kenya. Does the nominator consider major sources like Nation Media, Capital Business or BusinessDay (WP:NGRS) not reliable because they are African? ANairobian (talk) 09:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Techcrunch is an obviously reputable and reliable source. Skift and Phocuswire (by Northstar Travel Group) are reliable international travel publications. Daily Nation and Business Day are two of the most reputable newspapers in Kenya and Nigeria respectively. Capital Business is also widely recognized as a reliable Kenyan business news source. Ventureburn (by Memeburn) is a major Pan-African entrepreneurship news source. 197.254.70.206 (talk) 09:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Domaine Ylang Ylang

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Non-notable, closed distillery with no WP:RS on page, none that I could find, and none are likely to exist. Cabrils (talk) 21:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  On the assumption we all actually know what Ylang Ylang actually is, I would like to confirm that this subject has nothing to do with food and drink!!!! This domaine is historically probably the oldest Ylang Ylang (NOT food) distillery and perhaps the oldest of all in terms of essential oils and perfumes. So your understanding, patience and encouragement are the order of the day. I am putting on record some of the history of Mauritius where precious little or no recording of history occurs, as the island gets more and more commercialised. So do not delete it before you do research on and/ or know Mauritius and its past and culture. Stockbroker369 (talk) 06:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete seems to be a tourist attraction, but not enough source material to build an article. There are a number of articles relating to the owner being convicted of a killing in 2006 but I didn't see any real discussion of the business. I added one cite; if others find more I'll reconsider my vote. Oblivy (talk) 08:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - I was able to find an additional paragraph of coverage in a Spanish-language travel book [2], and got Google Books hits on an additional book and a magazine article whose previews are not rendering for me ([3], [4]. I'd be willing to guess that additional coverage exists in undigitized travel guides. It also pops up in Google Scholar results for fly species discoveries, which is another potential source of offline coverage. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Agogo Florence Awhobiwom

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WP:ADMASQ about a non-notable philanthropist who fails WP:BIO as far as I can see. The sources cited in this article at best just mention her or the foundation she has set up, or are just downright non-reliable. I can't see any reliable sources offering in-depth coverage on a search either. JavaHurricane 13:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. While there are reliable sources, they don't actually relate to the subject. Fails WP:BIO and notability isn't proven. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 15:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are, read the whole sources. I just changed the page name to a name it is mostly known with. If you still feel it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia in its current form let me know. I am trying to add impactful women in my society because wikipedia makes more women biographies. Ahola .O (talk) 16:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's why it is a stub, so it can be grown with time. she's notable. WikiProject Women Ahola .O (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP Ahola .O (talk) 16:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:JUSTVOTE. While your cause is noble, you still have to provide adequate sources to prove that she meets notability. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notably, She is known to be the youngest individual to own a band at the Calabar Carnival, her band is The Florence Agogo Foundation (FAF Band). I just included this line and referenced it. Ahola .O (talk) 19:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amongst other things. i could sent some sources here that were not allowed to be cited on wikipedia Ahola .O (talk) 19:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kafilat Araoye

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An article about the CEO of a bank which doesn't prove notability. It's more of inherent and not a direct entry to Wikipedia. It was proposed for deletion but was deproded for redirect /merge. When it has been redirected, another editor reverted it with reasons whatsoever. It s more to civility and consensus if it's discussed. For now, it down meets GNG, but per WP:ATD, redirect to Lotus Bank SafariScribe (talk) 19:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Lotus Bank: @SafariScribe: Thank you for bringing it here, I was going to do the same later today, it's great you already did. This fails WP:GNG and there's nothing more to it and per WP:ATD, it better be a redirect to Lotus Bank for now. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Owoeye Babajide

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This article doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG and WP:NACADEMIC. Multiple searches only bring up loose references with very, very little WP:SIGCOV. Although there is no doubt this person exists and is an academic, there is very little evidence of notability. Anwegmann (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Mostly filled with LinkedIn results. News don't bring up anything about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrjmrrr (talk • contribs) 21:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semzi

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Fails WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER. Sources are either passing mentions, interviews, PRs, or not even mentioning the subject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep: I'm almost certain the award nominations are notable, but we still need better sourcing for more biographical information. Oaktree b (talk) 15:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  More research would be done to support article with more sourcing for biographical information. The subject is quite a notable individual with just probably limited press publications ReoMartins (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ReoMartins Well, now you’re taking. As far as I know, there are a lot of notable people in real life who can’t a Wikipedia entry because they don’t meet the necessary Wikipedia notability criteria. Wikipedia’s notability is not exactly real world notability. The current status of this article doesn’t meet up, not that they’re not notable or influential in real life. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The subject does not meet any criteria outlined in WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited in the article actually discuss the subject. His nominations at the Beatz Awards aren't enough to justify a stand-alone article.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 15:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep: I agree with Oaktree B that this is a weak keep due to the award nominations. His other sources are weak.Maxcreator (talk) 03:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify: and mark as promised. Majority of the sources in the article doesn't meet SIGCOV and while the awards merits notability: it's still not much for a standalone entry on Wikipedia. I will remove some sources that didn't add to notability. For my vote (if draftified) can be marked as "promising", since there is a partial way to notability in the future! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akolisa Ufodike

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WP:BLP of a bureaucrat and businessperson, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for either occupation. The attempted notability claims here are entirely of the "person who has had jobs" variety, but absolutely none of said jobs are "inherently" notable in the absence of WP:GNG-worthy reliable source coverage about his work in media -- but the article is referenced entirely to primary sources and blogs that are not support for notability, with not a single GNG-building source shown at all. Bearcat (talk) 02:58, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - No evidence of notability, this is more or less a LinkedIn profile disguised as an article — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails WP:GNG or WP:NPOL. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:GNG. Agree with MaxnaCarta. SportingFlyer T·C 17:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Less of GNG. If to analyse sources, they were differing over each other and doesn't make the article meet NPOL or NACADEMICS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mazakuka mosque shooting

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Non-notable crime, no sustained coverage beyond the sequence of events. Wikipedia is not a repository of news stories. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Given the political situation in Nigeria, this almost certainly can be selectively merged/redirected somewhere (and given the relatively high death toll and the fact it's terrorism I feel it should be noted, somewhere, though not as its own article) however there is not enough detail in the article itself for me to suggest a target. Hm. I'll look into that later. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No lasting coverage to meet WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 10:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Satisfies WP:GNG. Seventeen deaths is significant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The number of deaths is not a criterion for notability and needs lasting coverage to meet WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 22:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Say that about any such attack in a western country and you'd be laughed out of court! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As an admin you should know it's not a criterion. Secondly, WP:NOTNEWS overrides GNG, otherwise every event reported in the news would get an article. Have you found any lasting coverage? LibStar (talk) 22:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Really? WP:SYSTEMIC isn't a criterion now? I beg to differ. And since when does anything override GNG? -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There was a fire near my home that was reported in the media, it may satisfy GNG but it is definitely a case of not news. Have you found any evidence of lasting coverage of this shooting? Did you bother to look? LibStar (talk) 08:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This article may meet GNG but consensus is showing NOTNEWS. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Ujjain rape case. LibStar (talk) 08:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Relevant how? A single rape against the multiple murder of seventeen people. Both horrendous but not comparing like with like. -- Necrothesp (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  knowing you, you would argue GNG in this rape case. Have you found any evidence of lasting coverage of this shooting? LibStar (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  How about this shooting? 2023 Beverly Crest shooting, meets GNG but NOTNEWS applies. LibStar (talk) 23:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I take it from you avoiding the question of finding lasting coverage of this shooting that you did a thorough search and could not find anything. Or you'll invent some sort of excuse. If 17 deaths is significant, is 2 or 3 deaths insignificant? Or if you can point to a notability criteria that grants notability for 17 deaths. Thanks in advance. LibStar (talk) 08:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to 2021 in Nigeria. If we end up with WP:SUSTAINED coverage in the future, we can always spin this back out. -- asilvering (talk) 03:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete WP:NOTNEWS, WP:LASTING, WP:DEPTH. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pastor S.O Oladele

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Rejected at WP:AFC fails WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 08:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep (but rename to S. O. Oladele; "Pastor" doesn't belong in the title). He's the head of a significant Nigerian church, with quite a few articles on Google News. But, as @A. B.: pointed out in the page history, Nigerian news sources are tricky to evaluate, so I'm not confident.— Moriwen (talk) 15:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Head of a major church, but rename to S. O. Oladele as above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: I just blocked the editor for obvious UPE/COI editing. Drmies (talk) 16:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. I think it's important to realise that while this article is terribly written, it can be saved, because there is SIGCOV and a multitude of reliable sources available online. I'm not interested in trying to revive it only for it to get deleted, but if it is kept I think all it needs is a bit of TLC and it'll be perfectly fine. Obviously, it needs moving, but that's not an issue for here. Thanks, JacobTheRox (talk) 10:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chimaobi C Mbataku

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Non-notable businessperson who fails WP:GNG or any applicable SNG. Suspected UPE and COI going on here. There's no source that could establish GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Not much for Inclusion. Some what of inherent promotional article. Needs much sources to establish a stand alone notability. Simply no clarification of importance. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 16:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep: As the article is a stub and would need much sources to establish a stand-alone notability.--Afí-afeti (talk) 06:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: A google search brings up only news source about a company he appears to own, which appears to be mildly promotional in nature. As such, this article likely fails WP:GNG and, alongside the aforementioned promotional nature and possible COI, also fails WP:NOTPROMO. ArkHyena (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Very few mentions (<10) when doing a search. Doesn't sound notable. Rrjmrrr (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dream Empire Music

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Non-notable record label which fails WP:ORGCRIT, WP:GNG or any applicable SNG. Could not find sources to establish, at the very least, GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment The label doesn't meet WP:MUSIC's sense of an important indie label, but the article does have several sources from potentially reliable Nigerian outlets, which suggests a possible GNG pass. A source analysis might be valuable here. Chubbles (talk) 16:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I will gladly provide a source analysis, I have the plan already. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Simply case of WP:LOTSOFSOURCES. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 16:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It certainly was not that. Chubbles (talk) 03:37, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment: Source assessment for sources currently on the article is below, BEFORE provides nothing but WP:ROUTINE and PR too.

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://dreamempiremusic.com/about-us/	This is the official website of Dream Empire Music, which means it’s not independent.	~ Even though an official source, but could be easily influenced by the subject.	Promotional and lacks critical analysis	✘ No
https://sunnewsonline.com/music-my-passion-from-childhood-clarke/	An interview or a feature which contains promotional content. Obvious paid puff.	~ While The Sun Nigeria is a reputable news (WP:NGRS) source, this specific article appears to be more of a feature or interview than hard news.		✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/01/d-e-m-signs-verchi-f2-under-new-label/	Press release-ish promotional piece.	~ Vanguard is a reputable news source that is marginally reliable (WP:NGRS), and this particular piece is promotional.		✘ No
https://independent.ng/dream-empire-music-unveils-new-artistes/	Press release and promotional piece.	~ Independent Newspaper Nigeria is a reliable news source (WP:NGRS), but this particular piece is promotional.		✘ No
https://thenationonlineng.net/clarke-ventures-into-entertainment-signs-two-artistes/	The article is a press release/promotional piece.	~ The Nation is a reputable news source (WP:NGRS), but this specific article is promotional.		✘ No
https://dreamempiremusic.com/our-team/	This is the official website of Dream Empire Music, which means it’s clearly not independent.	~ Ditto	Information from here is promotional and lacks critical analysis.	✘ No
https://www.bellanaija.com/2022/04/new-ep-majeed-bitter-sweet/	The article appears is a PR/promotional piece.	per WP:NGRS, plus, this piece is promotional.	Ditto	✘ No
https://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/weekend-beats/dream-empire-music-signs-joint-deal-with-empire/	PR/promo puff.	~ The Guardian Nigeria is a reliable news source (WP:NGRS), but this particular piece is paid promotional puff.		✘ No
https://independent.ng/majeed-releases-second-ep-cheers-to-life/	PR/promo puff	~ Ditto	~ More or less a PR for Majeeed's second EP	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using ((source assess table)).

--Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Inherent notability. Promotional clauses and unlike a notable label; few songs and artists to credit and neither have been seen on "Top stories" (of release or SIGCOV). All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 16:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this assessment. @Vanderwaalforces. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The label has released two notable projects and would still need better sourcing, aside entering a joint partnership with EMPIRE.--Afí-afeti (talk) 06:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per the very thorough source analysis above, thank you @Vanderwaalforces BrigadierG (talk) 16:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dope Caesar

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Non- notable Dj and the news publication are not reliable mostly are blogs, More like an advert, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. Subject failed WP:GNG Calyx2s (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Notable DJ that meets WP:GNG per the coverage received in multiple reliable secondary sources. The sources discussed her and her acts in details. She has huge social media following and on Instagram alone she has over 250 thousand followers and other social media platforms. Yangopano (talk) 14:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sources are blogs and not reliable, It can't establish notability and social media doesn't guarantee notability.Calyx2s (talk) 19:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  COMMENT: refer to WP:NEWSBLOG, blogs of news organization are acceptable if the writers are professional. Sibtehassanbutt (talk) 23:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I am impressed by your learning curve. Aintabli (talk) 22:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Aintabli me too Tehonk (talk) 01:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete- For the above reason by the nominator , the subject Not notable. Couldn't find a credible source on Google search mostly are blogs and this is purely an advertisement.Wasilatlovekesy (talk) 15:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:SIR refers to a opinion and is not an approved policy/guideline Sibtehassanbutt (talk) 21:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant Significant, independent and reliable (SIR), thank you for pointing out the wrong link shared. The article source are not WP:RS and also doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. Wasilatlovekesy (talk) 14:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If not for the content, the three sources are from reliable sources in Nigeria: The Native Mag, NotJustOk and Culture Custodian. (Suggesting: this is just for WP:RS) and doesn't mean opposing/challenging the state of their content for now. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 21:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom.Tehonk (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I am skeptical of the nominators statement of SIGCOV. Based in Nigeria sourcing, NotJustOk is a reliable source, and Culture custodian though it was a lyric and few I yet interviews. There are few coverage but fails WP: ANYBIO. Closer to notability though I am seeing a possible case of WP: UPE. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 21:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep: Found these additional sources: Vanguard reliable per WP:NGRS, bellanaija 1 and bellanaija 2, which are generally unreliable per WP:NGRS. Out of the remaining articles, culturecustodian is a reliable source per NGRS, Naija News is borderline and the remaining are not listed, so they could go either way. Royal88888 (talk) 08:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Vanguard publications which is the first source see [[5]] so can't be used and For the 2 and 3rd sources see Generally unreliable sources for Nigeria-related information Calyx2s (talk) 00:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I do not think this passes WP:NSINGER or WP:ANYBIO. Aintabli (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep - Of all the arguments so far, I find that by Royal88888 to be the most convincing, because the musician has been covered with a certain degree of professionalism by sources that have been deemed reliable at WP:NGRS. That coverage often lapses into typical promotional hype but there is some reliable info with which to build an encyclopedic article, though it would be a stub for the time being. The current WP article is pretty high on hype itself, but that junk can be removed through the standard editing process. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Some of the sources cited are reliable and their coverage of the subject are fair enough to support the article. Museveni1700 (talk) 20:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For some of the sources listed see [[6]] and Generally unreliable sources for Nigeria-related information by so doing the article can't meet WP:THREE.Calyx2s (talk) 01:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: the sources presented in the article and result of a before search performed point to their minimum notability and per the comment by Royal88888. Lagdo22 (talk) 06:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC) Sockpuppet of Ugbedeg, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ugbedeg. Aintabli (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 1, 2 and 3rd source listed by him has no byline most likely promotional and the fourth sources is an interview the fifth is nothing to write home about. Calyx2s (talk) 14:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. A Google search of her doesn't show her being discussed in reliable secondary sources. The Native and Culture Custodian sources are both interviews (primary sources) and cannot be used to establish notability. Career wise, the subject has not released notable songs or albums. It feels like she is still an up-and-coming disc jockey in the Nigerian music industry. I also feel like this is a case of WP:TOOSOON.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 15:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bosaso FC

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Since, per WP:NTEAM, teams and clubs have to demonstrate WP:GNG for a standalone article, then this fails WP:GNG as there's nothing to establish notability. Pieces from Hoorse Media ([7], [8]) can not be considered independent as they sponsor the club. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep It does seem slightly odd to discount sources from what appears to be a reliable media source for the region because they support the club given the region, but there's other sources out there which can be used to improve the article such as [9] and mentions in [10] and [11]. Another problem here is most of this part of the world happens on Facebook. SportingFlyer T·C 23:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Bosaso FC is an existing local sports club in Somalia with sponsorship of Horseed Media Group. Page deserves not to delate as editor from Somalia club is existing Muscab30 (talk) 23:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me recommend we should not delete this page. Club is an existing local sport club in Somalia. Muscab30 (talk) 23:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep There are reliable sources here, as sponsorships don't detract from journalistic independence. Indeed, sponsorship adds to the team's notability. The team is simply not mainstream or well covered. This feels like a further example of unconscious WP:BIAS discounting teams, players, etc. from places like Somalia. Anwegmann (talk) 00:02, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Strong keep as per discussion the source of the reference used other reliable sources from different pages. Muscab30 (talk) 15:20, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, the football club exists, but the only (single) news source about the club is by the news outlet that sponsors the club. WP:GNG needs multiple, independent reliable sources that are more than just passing mentions (source 4 doesn't mention the club at all). Sionk (talk) 00:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Redirect is not the only single news source there is different source used check the page or are related and are original language is Somali language since the team is in SOMALIA Muscab30 (talk) 15:22, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Answer for the sorce 4 the source four is related tgis topic is about Puntland the state responsible the team area is the federal member state of Somalia responsible managing snd regulating football in the area of Bosaso FC. Bosaso FC operates under Puntland. Muscab30 (talk) 15:26, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That is incorrect - source 4 clearly states Bosaso FC is owned by Bosaso City- the commercial town of Puntland in Bari region. There's enough here for a stand-alone article. SportingFlyer T·C 18:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of football clubs in Somalia per nom. Fails GNG due to limited independent SIGCOV. Frank Anchor 04:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 13:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: : Sorry, after checking the good sources, it may be eligible for deletion or redirectionGQO (talk) 9:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of football clubs in Somalia per WP:ATD. Fails WP:SIGCOV as the news coverage is from a media outlet that sponsors the club, which clearly makes the coverage not independent.4meter4 (talk) 17:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• There are four sources in the article - one from the UN, which isn't great; one from Puntlandes, which is coverage of the league, but also includes a few sentences specifically on the club which can be used to expand the article, and is similar the type of coverage I look for when creating articles on clubs; a DW article which doesn't specifically mention the club; and a cable TV interview on Youtube, which would generally be considered unreliable but is clearly a cable TV network putting up one of their broadcasts. In the AfD, there are two good articles from the newspaper which sponsors the team which don't appear to be promotional in any way; a Warsom article about a friendly Bosaso played in that the president of Puntland attended, which is excellent coverage; a reference in a scholarly article which can be used in the article to describe who owns the team, but is not GNG-qualifying; and a fixture list for the league which features an alternate spelling of the team. Between the sponsoring newspaper, the Puntlandes article, and the Warsom article, it's a pass in my opinion, but if we're going to be strict and say that the sponsoring newspaper doesn't count, it becomes more marginal. As I've already noted, most of the media coverage for Puntland actually happens on Facebook, so if we're going to go letter of the law GNG it's more likely to be redirected, but if we go spirit of GNG and say that we need reliable sources which show that the club has been written about by secondary sources, it's a keep. I'm still strongly advocating for this to be kept. SportingFlyer T·C 00:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Bailing

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 02:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Janco Uys

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that I found was this. JTtheOG (talk) 17:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete Looks to fail WP:GNG, although there is the source mentioned by nom. Could be a case of WP:TOOSOON. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tijde Visser

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that came up in my searches was a few sentences here about a suspension reduction. JTtheOG (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete There is this, but more would be helpful for a WP:GNG pass, could be a case of WP:TOOSOON. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that the University of East London is not independent of the subject, as it is his alma mater. JTtheOG (talk) 18:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dialdirect

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Cannot find any sources proving notable, other than advertising. Not to be confused with the UK company "Dial Direct". GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 05:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nelson Mandela Road

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Insufficient notability; many roads are named after notable people, but only those that are notable as roads should have articles. CoolieCoolster (talk) 07:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• CoolieCoolster, why is this listed under South Africa when the road is in India? dxneo (talk) 12:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's listed in both South Africa and India, as while the road is in India, it's named after Nelson Mandela, so if anyone from that WikiProject has something to pitch in as to why the article should be kept, they're free to do so. Just added the template for India as well, rather than just Delhi. CoolieCoolster (talk) 12:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Per nom. Not notable and insufficient additional information. The page fails general notability guidelines, failing coverage in multiple, reliable sources independent of the subject, in order to be worthy of a separate article. I doubt some mention of the road can even be made in Nelson_Mandela#Reception_and_legacy. RangersRus (talk) 13:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vuyani Maqina

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG as coverage is while reasonably extensive, limited to team releases etc. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:GNG, aye Claire 26 (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Pheiffer

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG as there's very little coverage. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Divan Uys

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union referee, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 21:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:GNG as there's no real coverage of the subject at all. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Janus Venter

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that came up in my searches was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 21:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete Looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, although passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. There is this but one more source would be nice for a GNG pass, no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:37, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Driaan Bester

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect here per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ginter Smuts

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep Quite a lengthly bio here. Would love one more obvious source, but playing at the highest level still so opportunity for more. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dian Badenhorst

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep There's this and this which are both ok sources, enough for a weak keep in my opinion. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Antonites

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 23:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Subject looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect here per WP:ATD either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Bocks

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak deleteWeak keep Looks to be case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, although passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Lots of coverage including this abut more needed for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC) Change vote to weak keep on additional sourcing found, players career starting to kick off also which may well lead to more sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Seems notable enough. Found a couple of sources, including from the two major online media organisations, which I've added. Greenman (talk) 20:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jarod Cairns

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. All that shows up are just press releases. I might change my vote when I find better sources. __ Tumbuka Arch (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete Looks to be case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, although passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Lots of coverage including this abut more needed for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• This source seems promising. I am open to draftification as an ATD. JTtheOG (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This is a clear delete unless better sources could be found. I did a quick search and was unable to find and suitable RS cites. Go4thProsper (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Izan Esterhuizen

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to be case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, although passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Lots of coverage, although not sure any of it reaches the WP:GNG threshold. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lindo Ncusane

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 21:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to be case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, although passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Lots of coverage, although not sure any of it reaches the WP:GNG threshold. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Banele Mthenjane

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Lots to be a case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, although would have passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Loads of coverage, but none of it really enough to suggest a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not enough coverage from reliable sources that talk of the subject in depth. Deep coverage is found in blogs than in reliable sources that only pass the subject.-- Tumbuka Arch (talk) 14:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ebot Buma

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete Looks to be a case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, although would have passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. There is this but more needed for a WP:GNG pass, no suitable redirect per WP:ATD also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chergin Fillies

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Another case of a player who passed the old WP:NRU guidelines, but fails WP:GNG. Career has never really kicked on to generate more coverage, and while there is lots of coverage, there's not really enough for a WP:GNG pass, no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Connor van Buuren

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to be a case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, would have passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Lots of coverage, but probably not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect here per WP:ATD either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kabous Bezuidenhout

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 01:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete Looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, with it passing the old WP:NRU guidelines. There is this in-depth profile, but more needed for a WP:GNG pass, no suitable redirect either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello. Just a note that the profile is published by Le Cap Sports, a sports management firm that Bezuidenhout is directly affiliated with as a client. JTtheOG (talk) 20:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henco Beukes

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 00:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete There this quite lengthly profile, but it's only one source. Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON but would have passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Lots of coverage but more needed for a WP:GNG pass, no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dandrè Delport

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that came up in my searches was this interview. JTtheOG (talk) 00:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to be a case of WP:TOOSOON, although would have passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Lots of coverage, but I'm not sure that there is enough for a WP:GNG pass, with no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Does not meet WP:GNG.WmLawson (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Etienne Janeke

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 22:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to be a case of WP:TOOSOON, but would have passed the old WP:NRU guidelines. Lots of coverage, but none of it really WP:GNG worthy. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giovan Snyman

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 21:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Looks to be a case of WP:TOOSOON on my part, obviously would have past the old WP:NRU requirements. Lots of coverage, but I'm not sure there's anything WP:GNG worthy in it, no suitable redirect per WP:ATD also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vicky Goswami

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Non notable person, unclaimed married person and there’s no claim 100% which makes in Durg criminal HarshalDhotre06 (talk) 15:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Youngboi OG

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The sources that aren't deadlinks are all UGC. I'm not entirely convinced this isn't a G3 but I don't particularly feel the need for this to be speedied either, already had an admin look at it privately. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Most links listed doesn't exist. Appears to be a hoax. @T.C.G. [talk] 14:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Desmond Dube

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Unref lp, I couldn't find proof of notability. Has worked as an actor, but not necessarily notable. Boleyn (talk) 13:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Broadway World is about the best I could find, but it's a non-RS [12]. Trivial coverage here [13]. I don't see enough for GNG or ACTOR. Oaktree b (talk) 15:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Strong Keep. One of South Africa's best known actors, described by the Mail and Guardian as a "giant of the stage" [14], whose had a high profile over a number of decades and coverage in multiple WP:RS. Meets WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Sources: [15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37]. I got bored finding sources, but if these aren't sufficient, I can look for more. Park3r (talk) 23:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which ones provide the most significant, independent discussions about this actor and his work? The problem may be that the article was so badly and promotionally written and is entirely unreferenced. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers, promotionally written and unreferenced are not valid reasons to delete an article per WP:BEFORE and the nom states that they couldn't find proof that this individual is notable. dxneo (talk) 04:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, it’s not my job to do a WP:BEFORE. Every one of the sources I added above was a WP:RS and adds up to WP:SIGCOV. Also WP:NOTCLEANUP. Park3r (talk) 08:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say it was, and I didn't even vote to delete. I just noted that the lack of references makes it harder to evaluate. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Admittedly, the article could be formatted better and expanded. But yet again, we see a bias against African articles. Simply because some American or European has done a Google search and it has not been to their satisfaction, they decide that an article about an African topic is not notable, without having any idea about our countries, culture, celebrities and personalities. And then even when this proof is provided for them, they find reasons for why an African is not notable 'enough'. It is getting beyond tiresome now. Mangwanani ^(talk) 09:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Mangwanani, I second that. That's one of the reasons that pushed me to having few news sites from South Africa listed on WP:NPPSG so that the CiteHighlighter script can indicate reliable sources. I have Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/South Africa on my watchlist and I'm not kidding when I'm saying it is overflowing with AfDs, and I'm grateful they're nominating non-notable subjects but a quick Google search on Desmond Dube is enough to some up SIGCOV which brings me back to your bias statement because look at how many RS Park3r presented. One user once said African sources are tempered with & they are fabricated, and others would say "I've never heard of it". Leaning towards keep per Park3r. dxneo (talk) 11:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is increasingly feeling like an English encyclopaedia with a focus on the Core Anglosphere. Awareness of Systemic Bias seems to be out of the window. Another issue aren’t enough South African editors who participate in AFD or the encyclopaedia itself. I’m feeling increasing levels of disappointment at the energy I’m wasting on defending AFDs like this one. Park3r (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The number of times I've had to argue with some Westerner who doesn't know the first thing about Africa is staggering. They always state that they are not racist, but you can't help but feel that they do in fact think of us as somewhat backwards and not really capable of knowing our own countries... Even when I've referenced books on particular topics, I've been told "Ahh, but it's not got an online presence, so it can't possibly be real..." It's beyond fatiguing. The highlight for me was when I had the Zimbabwe general election results removed as vandalism, because they had no internet source, even though they were being broadcast on national TV and online as I typed them! But the BBC hadn't recorded the fact, so our dear little Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation can't possibly know what they're reporting until Mr BBC tells them so.... Mangwanani ^(talk) 17:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Mangwanani, I see that you started this article. Maybe the bigger problem is that you wrote an *entirely unreferenced* Wikipedia article. I wonder how many other entirely unreferenced articles you have written. This is not a "formatting" problem, it is a complete lack of referencing. Please add refs per WP:V, one of Wikipedia's key content policies. Perhaps then you would not have to spend your time at AfD. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator of an article for deletion is expected to follow WP:BEFORE. Section D clearly states that a basic Google search is required as part of the nomination, and if valid sources exist, then the nomination should not proceed. I will WP:AGF and assume that the nominator and first delete vote somehow didn’t get those results (although I know for a fact that all these results and sources are available outside of South Africa - they are not geoblocked). Park3r (talk) 18:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I second Ssilvers, Mangwanani you must reference your articles no matter they've been televised or not as it really is the main wiki key. However, new page reviewers who reviewed the article(s) in the first place are in the wrong and should be stripped off their perms 'cause they could've sent the (unreferenced) article to drafts pace but they want the barnstars so they quickly move through articles. dxneo (talk) 18:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sending SA articles to draft is as good as deleting them, I suspect, but maybe I’m naive and haven’t engaged with draftspace enough. This article was created in 2008. The fact that it hadn’t been nominated for deletion in 15-16 years should raise the index of suspicion that the subject is, in fact notable, and be a further indication that sources should be sought out. But, regardless, editing an article is still an option once WP:BEFORE is completed and reliable sources are found. Park3r (talk) 19:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Keep. Sources provided above show that this is a notable actor. Yes it was made unsourced - because it was made 16 years ago. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Criticising the nomination doesn't help the discussion, it just raises the temperature. The nominator rather than WP:PRODing brought this to AfD. The best way to repudiate notability concerns is by adding reliable sources to the article that verify the content and establish notability. If one feels strongly this article should be kept add sources, yet although 20+ sources have been put up in this discussion, 5 days have passed with not a single one added. The article remains unsourced; not a desirable state for any article, let alone for a WP:BLP. Rupples (talk) 04:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That’s a reasonable point but WP:NOTCLEANUP. I’d also note that you could have added sources to the article as well. Park3r (talk) 08:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't particularly subscribe to AfD is not cleanup; infact I see AfD as a great opportunity to cleanup. Having no reliable sources at all is more than cleanup, especially for a BLP. On your second point, BLP is not an area I normally contribute to and I'm reticent to add sources to BLP articles if I'm unsure of their reliability. I wouldn't have been able to support retention of this article without two or more reliable sources being added. Pleased to see sources have now been added by PARAKANYAA and I'm placing trust in that editor's judgment on their reliability. Rupples (talk) 12:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep in the light of sources added to the article and identified in this discussion, there seems sufficient reliably sourced coverage for the subject to pass applicable notability guidelines. Rupples (talk) 12:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Port Shepstone Secondary School

Port Shepstone Secondary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Cites one dead link, fails WP:NSCHOOL and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. In South Africa, the terms "secondary" and "high" school are often used, the reason I'm bringing this up is because I also came across Port Shepstone High School which I would like nominate for deletion for the same reason as this one but I'm not familiar with multiple noms, I also fail to understand how there can be a high school and a secondary school of the same name at the same town/location. dxneo (talk) 11:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - no view yet on notability, but this school and Port Shepstone High School are indeed two different schools. There is also a Port Shepstone International High School, an Oxford international school (with no Wikipedia page)[38] - note the different address from the other two. The terms secondary and high are not exactly synonymous, and usage varies by location. These schools therefore do not have the same name, they have similar names. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In general, secondary school was used in the names of formerly segregated Indian South African schools, and often in black or coloured schools. No idea why this is the case, but if it’s a “high school” it’s often a formerly white school, and “secondary school” it’s usually a former Indian, coloured or black school. That’s why you could end up with a “high school” and a “secondary school in the same townPark3r (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you, I was a bit confused. dxneo (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Port Shepstone#Education. The school gets a mention there, and frankly there is nothing more than that mention here. I have spent quite some time looking for secondary sources, but haven't found any. There is a small amount of local news reporting, the usual reporting of student achievments and the like. This is mostly in The Citizen but a couple of others. Nothing in Newspapers.com but that might be because of the locality. Some passing mentions in a couple of books, e.g. an ex student mentioned in [39] but no significant coverage. Also passing mention in a geology research paper, but only because nearby cliffs are intersting. A few other passing mentions in educational research, but only as one location among many schools. There is, sadly, nothing from which to build an article. However, it is a possible search term, and readers searching this term would best be served by a redirect to the Port Shepstone page that mentions the school and the others in the area. That section could be expanded, but a significant expansion (with associated sources) would be required before a spinout would be justified. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also check the list at WP:PRODSUM

Penton Keah

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not notable by any measure. There is only one source from Sudans Post that mentions his name, which is a news outlet that belongs to his brother! Other than that, not even in-passing mentions. FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep a basic internet search shows he is clearly notable in South Sudan. Probably not notable outside of South Sudan, but global notability is not a requirement of WP:SIGCOV and national coverage is enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributor892z (talk • contribs) 13:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please share that simple search?

  i above included a search with zero results FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @FuzzyMagma: I really mean as simple as that [40]. You can quickly see that he has 1.8 million followers on Facebook, which is almost double the 1.0 million followers on Facebook that Jeremy Clarkson has, and nearly everyone in the UK knows who Jeremy Clarkson is. Contributor892z (talk) 21:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Contributor892z: WP:GOOGLEHITS, WP:IKNOWIT. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Eagles247: my point is the absolute opposite of WP:IKNOWIT. I never heard of the subject until this delete discussion. But then I searched his name and concluded that he must be a notable person in South Sudan, and this is exactly what his bio article is saying. Contributor892z (talk) 13:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Eagles247: and WP:GOOGLEHITS is completely not applicable here. I’m using number of followers, a very objective measure of quality of the hit, and concluding that this number is consistent with the number of a notable person in South Sudan. Unless we change the rules of Wikipedia and say that notability only counts for people that appear in Western media, we need to use other tools to ascertain the notability of people that do not appear in Western media. Contributor892z (talk) 13:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Contributor892z this is not a popularity contest fandom website, if that was the case, we would have written only about Youtubers and TikTokers.

  Please take a look to WP:42, these are the very basic criteria.

  This individual did not receive a significant coverage from multiple reliable and independent sources. As I mentioned in the nom, the two mentions comes from his brother (if not himself, as he is one of the founders of the Sudan Post, so not independent. And you are talking about Facebook followers, which is not a criteria for notability.

  Your whole reason for a keep is not a reason, and your comment should be stricken down as you clearly have no clue what WP:SIGCOV entails.

  As I said, if you can show, (and this is the bare minimum), significant coverage from multiple reliable and independent sources, then please enlighten us. And please check Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources before mentioning Facebook again. FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @FuzzyMagma: such an unnecessary aggression! your comment should be stricken down as you clearly cannot have a dialogue with someone that has a different point of view. South Sudan is a country ravaged by war, the world youngest country. This subject has set up with his brother what is arguably the only independent news outlet of South Sudan. No country in the world seems to care about South Sudan. There is only one independent news source. How can any of those rules that you mention be possibly applicable? I'm not talking here about fandom website! I'm talking about using publicly available evidence to establish that someone is notable in a country that nobody in the West cares about. According to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources (which I know very well, by the way), you can't use Facebook as news source because it's self published with no editorial oversight. But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying! I'm using reliable information, independent of the subject, available on Facebook to show that this person has fulfilled requirement number 2 of WP:ENTERTAINER, namely: "The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." which field? social media in South Sudan! Contributor892z (talk) 17:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  you understand that is not a reliable source? Your opinion and google search is not a reliable source. do you understand that?

  read WP:Original research please, and please stop patronising me. FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Contributor892z, you claim that FuzzyMagma's comment (which is correct about notability btw) is uncivil, but then you proceed to write an extremely aggressive comment which ignores policy. Facebook cannot be used as a source. " using reliable information, independent of the subject, available on Facebook " is the very definition of using a source. It does not matter if there is only 1 reliable outlet in South Sudan, if it's connected to him its not independent and thus cannot be used to establish notability. You have the gall to claim that you understand perennial sources, only to immediately contradict it, and say it doesn't apply. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Industrial Insect: and @FuzzyMagma: this will be my last comment to prevent this discussion from becoming even more uncivil than already is. I’m not patronising anyone, not doing original research and not having an opinion. I’m just using a counter, which is a matter of fact and can be independently checked and audited by anyone. Whether I like the subject of this article or not, and whether I agree if his person is notable or not, this person has irrefutable evidence of having provided a contribution to a field of entertainment that is bigger than the contribution of other entertainers that are certain to stay in Wikipedia forever. Therefore, my assessment of keep stays.Contributor892z (talk) 19:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) You have NOT proven the subject has satisfied WP:ENTERTAINER in any way. You've only explained the vague notion of "social media in South Sudan".

2) Even if you had, it must be verified by an independent, reliable source. Neither Facebook, nor the newspaper written by his brother can count towards this. Industrial Insect (talk) 13:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vital Nizigiyimana

Vital Nizigiyimana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Nizigiyimana never played a single match in the USL League One. Short college career. Don't see this having any chance of having any independent significant coverage. There is one personal story on a local radio station, which isn't enough to grant notability through any Wikipedia guideline. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:04, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tanzania proposed deletions

• Tanzania Police Academy

Kumbirai Thierry Nhamo

Kumbirai Thierry Nhamo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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