The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Cirt (talk) 06:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hamilton Joes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

We lack sports criteria, and while I know that major-league and minor-league sports teams qualify for Wikipedia, I cannot find guidance on whether or not amateur teams make the cut. Ergo, this nomination, which I will gladly withdraw if it is found to be within guidelines. Tyrenon (talk) 04:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Non-notable, amateur team. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 11:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why the Hamilton Joes Wikipedia page being kept open is important

The Midwest U.S., especially the Ohio/Indiana/Kentucky area, is baseball minded. Baseball there is what Football is to the entire state of Texas. We love our professional teams, major and minor league, and we love our amateur teams. We also follow our high school standout athletes their entire careers. There is no greater example than the Cincinnati area. (Hamilton sits just outside of Cincinnati). To the people of the Cincinnati area, and people active in Major and Minor league baseball, know and respect who Joe Nuxhall was. He was from Hamilton. He is a legend throughout the entire southwest Ohio area, not to mention around many other circles throughout the world of baseball. The Joes are his namesake, and his family is very involved with the team. The Cincinnati Reds also share those ties with the Joes. Their Executive VP of the Reds Community Fund, Charley Frank, opened up the press conference introducing the team. Former Red, Major Leaguer and possible Hall of Famer Sean Casey, along with Joe Nuxhall's son, Kim, as well as former Cincinnati Bengals Hall of Famer and Cincinnati resident, Anthony Munoz, are all assisting in the Joes opening day, marketing, fundraising, etc. As a matter of fact, Major League partially funds the Great Lakes Summer Collegiate League, of which the Joes are in.

This is a really important tool, Wikipedia, and our fans need places to go to get their information. It is my intention to paste links to the Joes Wikipedia page whenever possible, as it provides a widely-used and trusted source among the population.

Please, instead of deleting the page, just let me know what needs to be fixed. I'm not the best at deciphering guideline jargon, so if you could use plain terms I would greatly appreciate it. --Joshuadmanley (talk) 13:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If your fans need places to go to get their information, you need to place the information on your own website. Wikipedia is a place where verifiable information on notable topics is compiled. It's not your webhost. Stifle (talk) 13:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment- I fixed the format of the page, but did nto change any content, I do not have a vote on this matter.Umbralcorax (talk) 14:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Has multiple independent sources (in addition to several non-independet ones) so meets WP:N. Amateur teams (as opposed to most amateur players) are not inherently non-notable. Rlendog (talk) 15:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Delete or merge into the article for the league. I am not convinced that such summer teams are notable. I consider the coverage relatively trivial. If it were important, there would be coverage in the major sports news sources. DGG (talk) 23:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 12:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. If DGG is satisfied that the article doesn't meet inclusion standards, that is enough for me. Stifle (talk) 13:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The purported notability seems to come from the fact that they named their team after Joe Nuxhall, but naming the team after somebody famous doesn't make an amateur ball team notable. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 17:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Coverage by bigtime sports news isn't likely for small teams. This has coverage from multiple reliable sources — including the not-so-smalltown-ish Cincinnati Enquirer — so seems to pass the GNG aside from anything else. Nyttend (talk) 17:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only thing that makes me hesitant is that the Cincy Enquirer seems to be a human interest story about the team's namesake. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There's significant coverage for this team from newspapers, so I see no reason to delete. Corpx (talk) 04:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The level of coverage here clearly meets WP:GNG. BryanG (talk) 06:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.