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The result was keep‎. This term is put into context so it is not a mere dictionary definition. Plus there is a clear consensus to Keep this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:31, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hang noodles on the ears

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nonnotable Russian idiom - Altenmann >talk 21:01, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Russia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable? It's been used in English-language news content https://www.independent.co.uk/news/putin-russian-noodles-mikhail-abdalkin-b2288982.html Pecklesteiner (talk) 22:00, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Each language has zillions of idioms. The fact that a newspaper gave an english-language equivalent (basically a dicdef) does not make it notable. You need more than that to be an encyclopedic aryicle - Altenmann >talk 23:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There's a National Geographic book with this phrase in its title and a book review of it in Wired. I added a few more usages. If there's a "List of Russian Idioms" I'd say merge this content there, but there doesn't appear to be one. And before you !vote delete, remember that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is always watching and would want us all to hang noodles on our ears. BBQboffin (talk) 02:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No matter how many usage cases you add, a dicdef remains a dicdef. - Altenmann >talk 16:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But when William Safire in the NYT calls Mikhail Gorbachev's usage of it "the most memorable line spoken" in the 1991 Soviet coup[1], it goes from being one of "zillions of idioms" to one that has sustained notability in reliable sources. Now get these noodles of yours off my ears, or else please bring me a pot of simmering marinara sauce and some garlic bread. Cheers! BBQboffin^{grill me} 23:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, please cite the applicable items from WP:GNG and garlic bread is on me. As for me, I fail to see a critical criterion satisfied, namely "significant coverage", beyond dicdef and usage cases. Probably noodles on my eyes :-) Anyway, your efforts to save the article are appreciated. - Altenmann >talk 00:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 10:33, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- Per nom, just because a newspaper made an egnligh-language equivalent does not make it notable, it is just a WP:DICDEF. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 16:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
also no one would ever search a term like this 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:49, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It's had sustained coverage in the West since Soviet times, [2], many trivial mentions is often enough to build an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 15:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Your ref is for an incorrect translation "don't hang noodles from my ears", with no significant discussion.- Altenmann >talk 16:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
keep as creator of this article, I hardly think this is a non-notable Russian idiom. This is quite the kind of article that promotes cultural understanding. It’s been referenced regularly and intermittently as much as one might expect any foreign-language idiom might be. Victor Grigas (talk) 03:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
keep Stable phraseological units in the Russian language. It is reviewed by many sources. See for example [3]; [4]; [5] Книжная пыль (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- First and second books are self-published scrapes from the internets by non-experts, the third one is just a mention. - Altenmann >talk 16:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'll find it for you sources:
    1) Радченко Е. В. (Радченко Елена Вадимовна) Русский человек в зеркале фразеологии. Идеографическое описание : Учеб. пособие. Ч. 1. - Челябинск : Изд-во ЮУрГУ, 2004 (УОП Изд-ва). - 55 с.; ISBN 5-696-03044-0. (reviews and explains)
    2) Глухов, В. М. Язык и текст газетной публицистики : учебно-методическое пособие по спецкурсу / В. М. Глухов, Е. В. Брысина; Федеральное агентство по образованию, Гос. образовательное учреждение высш. проф. образования "Волгоградский гос. пед. ун-т". - Волгоград : Перемена, 2006. - 244 с.; 21 см.; ISBN 5-88234-879-X (reviews and explains)
    3) w:ru:Алефиренко, Николай Федорович. Фразеология и когнитивистика в аспекте лингвистического постмодернизма : монография / Н. Ф. Алефиренко ; Российская акад. социальных наук (РАСН), Белгородский гос. ун-т. - Белгород : Белгородский гос. ун-т, 2008. - 150 с. : ил.; 20 см.; ISBN 978-5-9571-0330-1 (examines and explains cases of using phraseological units)
    4) Химик, Василий Васильевич. Поэтика низкого, или Просторечие как культурный феномен / В. В. Химик. - СПб. : Филол. фак. С.-Петерб. гос. ун-та, 2000. - 269, [3] с. : ил.; 23 см. - (Филология и культура).; ISBN 5-8465-0003-Х (reviews and explains)
    45) Суй Сюебэнь. Исследование и преподавание русской фразеологии / Суй Сюебэнь ; Федеральное агентство по образованию, Гос. образовательное учреждение высш. проф. образования Башкирский гос. ун-т, Ляонинский нефтехимический ун-т Китая. - Уфа : РИЦ БашГУ, 2008. - 444, [1] с.; 20 см.; ISBN 978-5-7477-1960-6 (The Chinese know)
    56) Бирих, Александр Карлович. Русская фразеология : ист.-этимол. слов. : около 6000 фразеологизмов / А.К. Бирих, В.М. Мокиенко, Л.И. Степанова ; под ред. В.М. Мокиенко ; С.-Петерб. гос. ун-т, Межкаф. словар. кабинет им. Б.А. Ларина. - 3-е изд., испр. и доп. - Москва : Астрель [и др.], 2005 (ГУП ИПК Ульян. Дом печати). - 926, [1] с.; 24 см.; ISBN 5-17-029253-8 (АСТ) (Александр Карлович Бирих, доктор филол. наук, профессор института славистики. Трирского университета (Германия, г. Трир), Людмила Степанова, доктор филол. наук, профессор Философского факультета Оломоуцкого университета (Чехия, г. Оломоуц), Валерий Михайлович Мокиенко, доктор филол. наук, профессор кафедры славянской филологии Санкт-Петербургского государственного университета (Россия, г. Санкт-Петербург), explains)
    67) Фразеология и паремиология в диахронии и синхронии (от архаизации к неологизации) : материалы Международной научно-практической конференции (г. Кострома, 24-25 сентября 2020 г.) / Министерство науки и высшего образования Российской Федерации, Костромской государственный университет [и др.] ; редакционная коллегия: В. М. Мокиенко [и др.]. - Кострома : КГУ, 2020. - 202 с.; 29 см.; ISBN 978-5-8285-1101-3 (report at the conference)
    78) Нижегородский государственный университет им. Н. И. Лобачевского. Вестник Нижегородского университета им. Н. И. Лобачевского = Vestnik of Lobachevsky state university of Nizhny Novgorod / учредитель: Федеральное государственное автономное образовательное учреждение высшего образования "Национальный исследовательский Нижегородский государственный университет им. Н.И. Лобачевского". - Нижний Новгород : Изд-во Нижегородского ун-та, 2007-. 2020, № 1. - 2020. - 230 с. (article) 8) ... and many dissertations that can be found, for example, in the catalog of the Russian State Library [6]
    Книжная пыль (talk) 11:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
keep, as there are sources and precendents; the article explains the history of the significant use of the term in context. Ziko (talk) 15:49, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no "history", just some dubious guesswork by non-experts. "Significant use" is not among our notability criteria. - Altenmann >talk 16:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Above I have given you the work of specialists. The article needs to be revised, not deleted. Книжная пыль (talk) 11:25, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article is no more than a dicdef, with etimologies of dubious provenance, and a bunch of use cases. But I admit this may be one of rare cases of WP:IAR. - Altenmann >talk 16:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

keep, as native speaker. This is really well known idiom, and widely used too.
As one from recent high-profile cases, directly related with this idiom: news about one from regional deputy, who listened to Putin's message with noodles on his ears and posted a photo with his sarcastic commentary. As a result, he was fined 150,000 rubles (about $1,500) on the grounds of "discrediting the Russian army" (don't ask what the connection is here!). So this idiom seems quite significant. Kaganer (talk) 15:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, we don’t ignore any rules. This is a stable phraseological unit that has not only a “history”, it is considered by specialists. The article may not be good, but the subject matter is very significant. Книжная пыль (talk) 11:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- This is deeper than WP:DICDEF on history and journalistic usage alone, but it needs better WP:RS. Whilst I know this part is not policy, the fact that the article is delightful should count for something as well. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 14:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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