The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete, any mergers remain an editorial decision. Sandstein 06:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hash Bash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I think that this article does not establish notability for the event that it describes. The second paragraph does not seem to have anything to do with the event. Delete unless material is added to establish notability. I prod'ed this but the prod is contested, so that's why I'm bringing it for discussion. It does return a lot of google hits, but there does not seem to be a lot of national coverage. The most pertinent guidlines for notability on this might be WP:ORG and it does not seem to pass those.TheRingess 04:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete without some proof of notability. I'm convinced from the refs below that it's notable enough to stay on Wikipedia in some form - Merge into Culture in Ann Arbor, Michigan seems like the best choice. Quack 688 06:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. MER-C 06:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom - doesn't seem to pass ORG, not much non-local coverage.SkierRMH,07:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as a UofM alum, the Hash Bash is a huge event (if you can't tell by the photo). The google hits are indicative of its significance. If deleted should be merged more fully into Culture_in_Ann_Arbor,_Michigan. TonyTheTiger 20:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I agree with the idea to merge, I simply don't think this event is notable enough for its own article.I simply think that the article does not provide enough context to establish the notability of the event. I just read the culture article and it is already there. This article says nothing more than the brief blurb in that article. To me, that's another reason for deleting this stub.TheRingess 20:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The Hash Bash was/is a distinct footnote in American social history. I had heard of it before coming to Ann Arbor.--EricaAckerman 20:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment thank you for contributing to the discussion. Without sources, we have no way of determining the accuracy of your statement, and this is really what the discussion is about. If you can, please edit the article to include sources that show the national/international notability of the event. For example, coverage in a national newspaper/magazine might help, but articles in alumni newsletters/magazines or magazines that do not have a broad readership, probably wouldn't. Thanks again for your desire to contribute. TheRingess 20:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge No sources providing notability, but if they can be found, I certainly wouldn't be against mergine into the approrpiate UMich article. -- Kicking222 21:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Detele per nom.≈Krasniy^{(talk|contribs)} 22:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm perplexed. As a Michigan alum I know this gets tons of coverage in the local press each year, but I cannot seem to find any of it with a quick search, with the exception of some articles in the Detroit News [1]. Merge until we can find some reliable sources that discuss the event. JChap2007 00:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Ummm, the PRODer notes that there are many hits, some of which I note are the result of the Ann Arbor historical society, yet these are dismissed because they are largely local? The vast majority of the hits for CN Tower from from Toronto, so that criterion seems extremely weak. There's also mentions of caselaw at what appears to be the State level, which seems to nullify the argument, and a large number of link-ins from various "pot" related sites that are not local. And given that the "zeroth" bash (1970) included John Lennon, Yoko Ono and Alan Ginsberg [2], it would seem the justification for inclusion based on historical notability is more than obvious. Maury 17:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not sure that comparing this to the CN Tower is a good analogy. According to the article the CN Tower is listed in the Guinness book of records as the world's tallest building. That fact alone qualifies the CN Tower for an article in Wikipeida. John Lennon and Yoko Ono must have played lots of venues in their time, does that automatically qualify every venue for inclusion in Wikipedia? I simply think that this is fine as part of the culture in Ann Arbor article, but does not qualify for a separate article. Lots of universities have street fairs, carnivals and parades. Should wikipedia have an article for each one? I change my vote to redirect to the culture article and if an interested editor wishes to expand that section (for example, to include a history of the event, notable performances, coverage in national media, etc) to the point where a separate article is warranted, then great.TheRingess 05:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you can provide examples of other "university street fairs" that are quoted as legal precedent, I'm all ears. You ask "Should wikipedia have an article for each one", but that's a non-sequitur, whether or not it should (and I say "sure") is no argument on whether or not this one should be here. It seems more than notable, which pretty much ends the argument IMHO. And it's not like merging it into some other page would save resources or anything, all that would do is make it more difficult to find. Maury 15:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree, but I agree to disagree. A merge would not make it any harder to find, it would simply redirect them to the culture article (which as pointed out) already contains pretty much exactly the same material.TheRingess 15:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The event is of broader historical/cultural interest for several reasons, including: A.) its catalyzing role in broader battles over marijuana legalization in left-leaning U.S. college towns in the early 1970s (see, for example, Marijuana laws in Ann Arbor, Michigan); and B.) its creation as part of the widely noted struggle to free poet/activist John Sinclair from prison, which drew support from a number of nationally noted figures. I do agree that the article could use quite a bit of improvement at this point. Ropcat 17:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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