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The result was delete. No consensus about whether to redirect; this can be resolved by creating a redirect and then challenging it via RfD. For those concerned about losing content, here is the article in its unsourced entirety: "Health and Physical Education Complex is a 5,100 seat multi-purpose arena in Fort Valley, Georgia in the United States. It was built in 2004. It is the home of the Fort Valley State University Wildcats basketball teams."  Sandstein  08:17, 9 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Health and Physical Education Complex[edit]

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generically titled article about a apparently non notable arena for a minor college basketball team. Name is too generic to redirect. John from Idegon (talk) 03:37, 17 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 04:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 04:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:06, 17 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete per nom; too generic to redirect. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:18, 18 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Merge to Fort Valley State University#Athletics and redirect. Clearly not notable for a stand-alone article, but searching on Fort Valley Health and Physical Education Complex turns up plenty of hits (mostly passing mention of events being held there). It seems to be an important part of the university and should be mentioned there. MB 03:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Really? Why the heck would we redirect the entirely generic term "Health and Physical Education Complex" to a specific article on a school? If it were "Foo Health and Physical Education Complex", I would have boldly redirected it and been done with it. Merging would be inserting the jist of the one sentence that this article consists of into the school's article. But a redirect, for lack of a more elegant term, is just plain dumb. Frankly, MB, your position makes no sense whatsoever and will only serve to prolong this. John from Idegon (talk) 04:12, 3 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Because that seems to be its WP:Commonname. I found things like " Handicapped parking is available near the Health and Physical Education Complex and Wildcat Commons residence halls" and "children and seniors flocked to FVSU’s Health and Physical Education Complex" or a shortened form "HPE Complex (New Gym)". Some cases append the university as "The Health and Physical Education Complex-Fort Valley State University". It may sound generic to you but that is how it is named. MB 04:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See also Health and Physical Education Arena, another generic sounding name that has existed as a stub for over 10 years, which should probably be handled the same way with Texas Southern University. Do you want to handle that too? MB 04:39, 3 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, that too should be handled the same way. Here's an example from a notable arena to illustrate my point. Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall, the basketball arena at Indiana University, was formerly named simply Assembly Hall (the school essentially sold naming rights, a sad sellout situation IMO, but that's a different discussion). Its article here was titled Assembly Hall (Bloomington) prior to the rename, disambiguating the generic name in the title. Anyone in Indiana would know that Assembly Hall was the gym at IU (and most still call it that), but due the generic name, its title was disambiguated. Half the name references you gave added a disambiguation, and I think it's safe to assume the others could have been disambiguated from the context of the source. If a person were to come to Wikipedia to search for info on this arena, first, given the world - wide footprint of Wikipedia, it's doubtful their search term would be this title. Second, they would probably preface the current title with the school name. So what is going to come up if they do that? The school's article! So are you proposing we move this page which we are in agreement is a non notable subject, to a different title then redirect it to an article that will come up before this one in a search? You already found one article with a very similar name, and I'd place money on the fact that there are many more buildings on college campuses world wide with similar names. A redirect in no way serves the reader. John from Idegon (talk) 04:07, 4 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The page is averaging two views per day, and it is linked from two other articles. So people are finding it somehow. I am proposing that it be merged in the FVSU article (which surprisingly doesn't link to it), and a redirect be left - to avoid redlinks and to aid in searching if someone did look under this name. There is no need to disambiguate because there are no other titles at that name. I've searched on google, and found three others (at York College - Queens NYC, Southern University Shreveport, and Cal State San Bernadino) and none of these are mentioned in the articles on those places. I think the one at FVSU may be a little more significant than the others because it has a 5000 seat arena; it's more than a gym complex. I also found Health and Sports Center as a third similar case that should be merged to its host university as well (with a redirect for the same reasons). MB 02:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

With regards to the Texas Southern arena, that is a Division I basketball arena, and will be hosting Houston University games next year in addition to TSU games, so I'd argue it's notable and should not be merged. Conensus seems to be Division I basketball arenas are notable, given the significant coverage they receive. This one may be different since it's not Division I. Smartyllama (talk) 13:23, 7 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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