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The result was merge to Deseret Book#Shadow Mountain Records. Nominated for lack of independent reliable sources. Keep arguments that there has been coverage and that the subject met inclusion criteria were well met by evidence that coverage was skimpy or not independent, and that inclusion criteria were not appropriately met. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 00:09, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hilary Weeks[edit]

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Much of the content is a copyright violation from the subject's own website/Facebook page. The subject does not meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:28, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The copyvio was a recent addition and I simply reverted it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:13, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:14, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaning towards delete - The best my searches (News, Books, browser, highbeam and thefreelibrary) found were this and this, the Books results are a little better considering they're from Billboard but they're not that good. I'm a little on the fence but I may lean towards delete for now. SwisterTwister talk 21:33, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Sufficient coverage in reliable sources, a significant placing (top 10) in a Billboard genre chart, and awards that Billboard saw fit to report on. Coverage includes Allmusic: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], Billboard: [7], [8], Daily Herald: [9], and the Deseret News: [10], [11], [12], [13]. --Michig (talk) 07:33, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG requires "significant coverage", not in number of small mentions, but in depth. Allmusic (as the name implies) should not be used to establish notability. They are so comprehensive that being included is not a mark of notability in the Wikipedia sense. The Billboard article from November 2011 is the best source here. The question is, is that enough? The Pearl Award is not a big deal, it only goes to LDS musicians and it was discontinued due to so much controversy in its awarding criteria. Deseret News is a reliable source, but not an independent one in this case, they published her albums. It can't be used as a source to establish Weeks' notability. Mnnlaxer (talk) 13:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep based on what is available for sourcing online. Bearian (talk) 20:02, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - passes WP:MUSICBIO # 5 and 7. Shadow Mountain Records should qualify for #5; having been the first Mormon to get a place in the Billboard Top 10 Christian Albums Charts should qualify for #7; and there is the coverage required (as shown above). Kraxler (talk) 21:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

7. "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city" No one is saying Hilary Weeks has a notable style, just that she's Mormon, thus unique, thus has some news value for the media (especially Mormon media).

5. Shadow Mountain Records (SMR) certainly isn't a major record label and isn't "one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." Now, here's a rabbit hole to follow. The linked above article section on SMR lists lots of artists. First cross-reference with their current roster [14]. David Archuleta wasn't ever a SMR artist (the cite on his article is wrong [15]). Gladys Knight did release her last album with SMR, although they don't list her on their own website. Carmen Rasmusen is Mormon, but never recorded with SMR. Their biggest artist seems to be Alex Boye. The other artists' articles are very weak and almost exclusively sourced to primary sources or Mormon news outlets. Most would have a harder time than Hilary Weeks (listed second on SMR's list, after Hudson Lights) of surviving an AfD. Not a very strong entry for having many independently notable artists. SMR is a small, niche-market label for Mormon artists. Mnnlaxer (talk) 04:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Deseret Book#Shadow Mountain Records. Fails GNG and MUSICBIO. Hasn't had a Billboard Top 100 album. Her two albums listed were on the Billboard chart for one week each. [16] Even looking at the Christian album chart, her best album was on that chart for three weeks. [17] From the best source I've seen for Weeks [18]: Her top album, Every Step, sold 4,000 copies in the release chart listing and went down from there. "Weeks' career has been forged making music specifically for Mormon audiences." Until she does something notable, at which point the article can be re-started, it will remain a WP:PERMASTUB and should be merged now. Mnnlaxer (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.