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The result was delete. Kanonkas : Talk 16:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

House of Lemavia[edit]

Undocumented hoax, related to Battle of Lemos and Don Manuel Joseph Martín López de Prado Rodríguez Díaz de Armesto y Varela, X Baron of Lemavia. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 06:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please, stop doing this. There is more than enough references listed in the article which you can check yourself. (Qqtacpn (talk) 06:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Point to specific pages, not general websites. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have cited dozens of books, all well known and available at the Library of Congress. Since when is a requisite for an article to be based on websites? (Qqtacpn (talk) 07:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Delete as unadulterated hoax. There are no reliable references at all for any of this elaborate hoax. European heraldry and armigerous lines are always well documented in reliable sources. These are clear hoaxes and while palausible at first glance fall apart in the details as well in the absolute lack of any documentation. All of it is historical fiction and some of it not even well done. Don't waste everyone's time with this. Delete and salt and block. Drawn Some (talk) 10:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have answered all your questions for hours. You have made very offensive accusations based on:

1) Your inability to read Spanish.
2) Your lack of interest for sources published in paper. You only accept websites as sources.
3) You are not interested to search the websites of the Spanish Goverment I have provided (search "lopez de prado", between quotes, at http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=0).
4) The fact that my area of expertise (War crimes commited in Galicia during the Peninsular Wars) has offended a group of French Wikipedians (Equendil, Frania W., etc.).
5) Ridiculous suppositions (do I live in Chicago? Are these 5 users in the same Continent? Why are they interested in similar topics?)
6) Discrimination based on being a new contributor.

Anyone with access to this Encyclopedia (http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html), available at the Library of Congress and everywhere in the Spanish Speaking World, please go to Volume 72, pages 101-120. Or go to the http://www.granenciclopediagalega.com/, also available in the Library of Congress, and search the article dedicated to Lopez de Prado. These are but a few more proves that these individuals are making false accusations. I do not doubt your intention is right, but the conclusion here is that a very small number of Wikipedians ignorant of well published research actually have the power to remove legitimate content. Fine, if this is how flawed Wikipedia is, please go ahead and remove these articles. They belong to the paper encyclopedias available in the Library of Congress. End of discussion. (Qqtacpn (talk) 11:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC))[reply]

G3 as hoax despite Qqtacpn's bad-faith assumptions. I'm fluent in Spanish and even then I got nothing. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Many otters • One hammer • HELP)} 11:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikipedia:AN#Qqtacpn. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Many otters • One hammer • HELP)} 11:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per Ten Pound Hammer. Edward321 (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.