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The result was keep. Wizardman 13:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Article is about an elementary school that is not notable for any other reason. From reading the article, there are no criteria that would make this elementary school stand out from others Corpx 08:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Roseburg, Oregon. Deor 11:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Roseburg School District (which I will create). Latr, Katr 17:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I think merging to the school district would be better than merging to the city. Katr67 07:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• OK, now that you've created the school-district article it can be redirected there. But I don't see the need for the same list of schools to appear in both Roseburg, Oregon and Roseburg School District, so I'm going to replace the list in the city article with a link to the district article. Deor 13:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Could you double check your edit? I don't think the community college is part of the school district. Katr67 15:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Fixed. Thanks for catching that. Deor 15:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Roseburg, Oregon per above. This asserts no notability Eusebeus 17:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/Redirect as per above.--JForget 23:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 02:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 02:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and redirect to Roseburg School District. With the creation of the district's page, it makes no sense to redirect to Roseburg, Oregon. I do not think that there is any content in this page worth merging. Pablo Talk | Contributions 03:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, the school has been running for 50 years. I have added a reference for the recent headmasters and the IES fact sheet. Details from offline newspaper articles will fill in the gaps over time. John Vandenberg 05:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I dont think just 50 years in existence gives notability to a building. Even cited, the list of principals doesnt give notability either. Every school has a list of principals. Corpx 05:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: the article has been expanded again. A lot happens within the walls of a school over 50 years, and most of it happens at tax payers or the local communities expense. The correlation between education facilities and demographics makes them worthy of note if the material can be sourced. It was never my intent to indicate that a single ref would be evidence of notability. I realise that others consider schools differently when it comes to notability, and this Afd is heading away from a keep to demonstrate that; if the Afd doesnt swing to no concensus due to improvement, I request the closer does not delete the history in order that I can merge my improvements into the district and city articles. John Vandenberg 08:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• This would mean that any government entity/building would have notability. How does this article about this elementary school show any impact on demographics? Also, whats the significance of a local credit union CEO teaching at an elementary school? Corpx 10:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, I've expanded the article again.
  No, "any" government entity/building are not immediately notable; local government facilities are usually not worth dedicating an article to; they are just a part of the town/city/whatever and function to support it with very little unusual occuring between their walls. OTOH, schools can be notable, people do look up Wikipedia for schools, and biographies of people usually include the schools a person attended.
  Regarding demographics, this article lets the reader know when an elementary school was added to the region, details about the headmasters (prior training/experience), and recent additions about the chess club give the reader a better background on the quality of the education and extracurriculum activities. Those are all useful when researching a person from the area in general. If I was writing a biography about someone who went to this school, this article would be of assistance; I would immediately want to know whether the person was a member of the chess club. In time, this article will expand to give more directly useful data to people researching the area.
  When was the last time you read about a CEO teaching chess at an elementary school? The exact details of his teaching are not mentioned in the source; hopefully someone will augment it using sources I cant find online. John Vandenberg 00:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This guy is the CEO of local credit union. Local businesspeople frequently donate their time to help out with local educational institutions. When you look up biography of a person, I highly doubt it mentions the elementary school they attended. I'm in favor of all high schools having inherent notability, but taking it to elementary schools is way too far. Corpx 01:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are many reasons why the Elem school could be considered an important part of a biography. Biographies of staff members that go on to do more notable things are one example. here is a bio that mentions the Elem. School attended. I've yet to see a good argument why elementary/primary schools are inherently not notable. John Vandenberg 08:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• That's just one person who was influenced by actions done at elementary school. I still think that a very vast majority of notable people dont discuss elementary schools when talking about their influencing factors. The elementray schools are not inherenty notable thing is what I picked up from reading the AFD over the past few weeks. If an elementary school is inherently notable, then why woudlnt any public service building be notable? This school also fails the notability mentioned in Wikipedia:Schools, which tried to set a guideline. Corpx

• Keep - notability comes from multiple reliable sources, per WP:N, and this article has enough ogf them together with notable and unusual chess achievements. TerriersFan 18:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I would categorize all the articles as trivial mentions Corpx 18:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep As per WP:ORG: "Any school article which references a news account the headline of which states Principal agrees to shave head is automatically a keeper so keep yer paws off of it." Or WP:ORG will say that as soon as I put it in. Additionally, the article seems to have some useful and interesting information in it. Seems encyclopedic enough for me. Noroton 21:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep article provides multiple, independent reliable and verifiable sources to demonstarte notability, particularly regarding its achievements in chess at the state level. Notability has been demonstrated per WP:N. Alansohn 01:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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