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The result was redirect to Nenana Ice Classic, after deleting the page history. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 05:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ice pool[edit]

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Article is about a Non Directional Beacon. This cannot possibly meet Wikipedia guidelines on notability as there must be thousands of these things in the world. Does every one of them deserve and article? I B Wright (talk) 15:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 October 4. Snotbot t • c » 15:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Profoundly trivial topic. WP is not a directory of navigation aids. I'm glad it's there to help keep flyers safe, but not a topic for an encyclopedia article. Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There may be a case for a List of... for all of them, but I would doubt it. Fliers probably have one already and anyone else wouldn't care. The first reference doesn't work for me (bad when a ref about a navigational aid can't be found...), and the other is a map. No notability shown. Peridon (talk) 18:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge to the airport, which is easy to do and requires no bureaucracy. Whatever happened to Wikipedia:Be Bold? --Wtshymanski (talk) 02:23, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why? What is so notable about this airport that it requires any nearby beacons to be listed. No other airport article seems to do so (though to be fair: I haven't checked all of them). DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 13:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Here's how I see this. Both this article and Nenana Municipal Airport were created out of thin air over five years ago, with neither article seeing any substantial improvement since. In 2010, User:Lihan161051 created a userspace article entitled "Ice pool" referring to a rapid body cooling apparatus. Along those same lines, I would think the term could also refer to Ice bath. In May 2012, User:Maury Markowitz at first PRODed this article, then suggested it be merged with the airport's article. He failed to place the tags on both articles (something I've done myself more than a few times), so it escaped my notice as this article is not in my watchlist. Four months-plus later, the next edit was by User:Wtshymanski, merging the article to the airport article. From that point on, there has been an edit war (definitely a candidate for WP:LAME, BTW) between Wtshymanski and IP address 86.166.70.84, which in my eyes has more to do with an ongoing feud the two have over merging and little to do with either of these articles.RadioKAOS (talk) 02:24, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Staircase thought - if we deleted every category of article that had thousands of members, we'd have a much shorter encyclopedia. Notability is a good rule to observe here. --Wtshymanski (talk) 02:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Nenana Ice Classic, referred to as the "Ice Pool" in a substantial number of sources. [1][2] My searches so far didn't turn up any indication that the beacon is notable. --Arxiloxos (talk) 02:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. 02:42, 5 October 2012 (UTC) by RadioKAOS (talk)

Cont. (I'm on a public computer with a time limit) I offered comments, the most pertinent of which has already been brought up. "Ice pool" is known around these parts to refer to the Nenana Ice Classic, and in all likelihood is the namesake for the NDB. The other part of these comments were motivated by an earlier AFD. Since WP:ALASKA has been barely active for years, we've seen a lot of articles created, and defended from deletion attempts, solely based upon database entries or news headlines, while numerous actually notable topics have yet to see the light of day. Opinions vary as to what to do about this, but the fact of the matter is that there are too too few warm bodies available to actually do much of anything. Many articles on small airports in Alaska could very well exist as sections of the community's article, rather than standalone articles. This probably isn't practical in the case of Nenana, though.RadioKAOS (talk) 02:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Completely non notable topic for all the reasons given. It does not even warrant a mention in the associated airport article because no other airport article that I have checked (but see disclaimer above) mentions nearby navigation beacons (or even that there are any). If this encyclopedia were likely to be consulted by airmen wishing to compile a flight plan, it might be a different story - but that is highly unlikely. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 13:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Federal Register September 9, 2005 calls it Ice Pool NDB. Also see [3][4]. Federal Register November 17, 2005 calls it Ice Pool Nondirectional Beacon. I didn't find any other information. After deleting, redirect Ice pool to Nenana Ice Classic (which sometimes is called an ice pool for betting on breakup of local ice). -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.