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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 12:03, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Incel Chimney[edit]

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Bosnian company of questionable notability (WP:GNG). All sources are offline and rather old. Search results seem to be almost only Wikipedia mirrors. The article content does not suggest that the company is particularly prominent or remarkable, or anything other than a WP:MILL business. No local language version of the article exists. Sandstein 11:29, 26 April 2018 (UTC) (edited: 14:23, 26 April 2018 (UTC))[reply]

• Withdrawn given the substantial improvements, but recommend move to Incel (company), since it seems that the notable subject is the company and not its chimney. Sandstein 14:36, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:48, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bosnia and Herzegovina-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:48, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - the titles of the old offline references don't give any indication of notability. One of the problems is that there appear to be 3 individual entities described in the article - a company, a factory, and the chimney itself. The refs are about the company which seems to have closed in the 1990s and it is clearly not notable. The factory might be referenced in some of the citations, but it is just a ruined or disused factory and they are a dime a dozen in Bosnia (see photos on Google maps for a couple of pix of the factory and the chimney). So that leaves the chimney itself - probably without any references. Is a 150 meter tall chimney notable? I can't really tell, but ultimately it's up to the authors to show this. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 19:45, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One idea on notability of tall chimneys: List of tallest chimneys gives 578 chimneys, 492 of which are taller than 150 m. The range is 420 - 125 m. Very roughly 40% of them have associated articles, but these are usually for the factory, plant, or generating station, not for the chimney itself. By this very rough indicator - it doesn't look like the chimney is notable. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:06, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but rename to Incel (company) for the start – the article is chiefly about the (former) company, and the chimney is about the only piece that remains. Incel was a major industrial combine from Banjaluka during SFR Yugoslavia age, that used to employ 6,500 workers. Here's a rather comprehensive article about it:
  • "Incel: Simbol privrede postao njen spomenik (XIV)" [Incel: Symbol of economy became its gravestone]. Capital.ba Business Portal. 4 August 2015.

A lot more could be drawn from old paper sources, but I think the one above could alone support a reasonable article. There is matching fr:Incel_Holding_Banja_Luka. No such user (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I expanded the article with some basic facts available in online sources. I'm not terribly interested in the subject and did not want to spend much time on it, but I think it passes the minimum standards. Notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY, and the original text did cite some offline material, but I don't have it available. No such user (talk) 14:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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