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The result was delete‎. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indian Springs, Los Angeles County, California[edit]

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Im told this should here since it was PROD'd and de-PROD'd once already. Been trying to de-stub some LACo locations and this one is confounding me. Possibly location of a ranch/wedding venue/place they shot porn movies https://www.realtor.com/news/unique-homes/cecil-b-demille-ranch-indian-springs-sordid-story/ ? Possibly a campground in 1910 per https://www.newspapers.com/article/los-angeles-herald-indian-springs/139873386/ ? Think there *might be physical springs slightly to the north but can't find them either (because their name is very common or...?) I suspect it was once an Angeles National Forest-area rustic vacation retreat but can't really find evidence. Long story short, don't think this meets geographic notability. (PS There were/are Indian Springs in Chatsworth, Sawtelle, and Montrose but I don't think any of them are this one.) jengod (talk) 15:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. jengod (talk) 15:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment - a quick look at the geographic coordinates seems to place it in Kagel Canyon, [1], googled that and found this:[2]. No mention of the springs, tho. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Netherzone (talk • contribs) 2024-01-30T18:10:12 (UTC)
It's not a community. It is very much private, and it's marked Leonis Ranch on the maps before it was Indian Springs. You are looking at the ranch of Jean-Baptiste "J.B." Leonis (yes, the Vernon, California one) who was Cecil B. DeMille's neighbour. It's not the DeMille ranch itself. The owner in that real estate advert is claiming too much, as other (alas, not too reliable) sources on the life of Leonis say that DeMille and Leonis were contemporaries and the latter did not buy from the former. I don't trust the owner's autobiographical book, either. Although saying that it was once owned by DeMille pales in comparison to Wikipedia saying for 12 years, for 6 of which the buildings didn't even exist, that it is (present tense) a "community". Uncle G (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FWIW I just double-checked every Los Angeles County spring listed in Waring 1915 and Berkstresser 1968 nothing is close. jengod (talk) 21:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fun fact! There's a Demille Fault that runs under this location that's obv named for the adjacent Demille ranch.^[1] jengod (talk) 21:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Nordin's book is self-published and the author blurb for it, nor indeed the book contents, do not exactly suggest historical rigour. But it does say, for what it's worth, that the ranch was initially Leonis's name backwards, and Leonis renamed it to Indian Springs. Nordin is apparently in it for the booze. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 21:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

references

Nordin, Richard (2017). The Iron Fist: The Immigrant Journey of J. B. Leonis to Riches and Power in Southern California. Xlibris Corporation. ISBN 9781524570460.
Nordin, Richard. "The Leonis Collection". Christie's.
Bullock, Maggie (2018-12-05). "Rare pre-Prohibition whiskeys offer a taste of American history". CNN.
Goldfarb, Aaron (2020-09-29). "Mr. DeMille, I'm Ready for Your Booze Stash". The New York Times.

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Comment - the guy and/or "Prohibition-era liquor hoards" sound entirely notable. Not sure we want to hang this on Indian Springs tho. jengod (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I agree. The sources, especially the autobiography and the fire sale advert, are poor to woeful; and neither the edit history nor the title at hand are in any way useful. Uncle G (talk) 12:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 04:08, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 04:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete Lets just delete it, it's clear there is no Indian springs, California. All the material you guys found found belongs at Indian springs (ranch).James.folsom (talk) 22:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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