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The result was delete.  Sandstein  22:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi auction (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

It appears that Iraqi auction is a neologism. While there may have been a type of auction characteristic of ancient Mesopotamia, I don't believe the term "Iraqi auction" has been used for a type of auction. Web searches aren't the ultimate authority, but a search for "Iraqi auction" returned copies of WP material, notices of modern Iraqi central bank currency auctions, or other auctions related to modern Iraq. A Google scholar search returned nothing. I believe this is another neologism similar to Swedish auction. Cretog8 (talk) 06:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Please excuse my awkwardness in my first AfD.)Cretog8 (talk) 06:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. -- --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 06:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep You know, there's a book source in there. I'm not sure if it's a valid one, but there's a book source. The page needs more sources, but I think it's a start. Question though, are articles innocent until proven guilty, or vice versa? --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 07:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • They're guilty until proven innocent by demonstration that they satisfy the various core policies (for instance, by having sources). The analogy to criminal justice is a false one. deranged bulbasaur 07:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Response Alright, thanks- I'd been curious about that. --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 07:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this case, the article is guilty by association. It was created along with a number of other auction articles by the same editor. Each article had the Milgrom book as a reference, but (for instance) no mention of "Swedish auction" in the Milgrom book was brought up in the Swedish auction AfD. Also, Milgrom isn't subtle, he writes a lot. As User:Debate helpfully noted, Milgrom has a large Powerpoint presentation of lectures related to his book--the slides are posted freely at his web page [1]. Nowhere in there does the word "Iraqi" occur (though "English" and "Dutch" do). Likewise, it seems extremely unlikely that a type of auction would be named in the book but neither Milgrom or anyone else would mention it in an academic paper.Cretog8 (talk) 07:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Interesting point. Hmm. Well, if we can definitively exclude the Milgrom source (and thus remove it from the article), I'd gladly change my !vote to delete. --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 07:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete Oh hell, I just read the old AfD myself and it's plain as day. I need to go to sleep now. --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 08:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The article should be deleted because of lack of reference (unless user Max7437 can state the page number in Milgrom's book where this concept is defined.) Ulner (talk) 13:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as hoax. A copy of the Milgrom book is literally sitting in front of me at the moment, and I can confirm that there is no reference in it to "Iraqi Auction". Furthermore, as Cretog8 suggests, the odds of anything predating World War One being considered Iraqi-anything are pretty low given that Iraq essentially didn't exist in any practical sense prior to this time. "Mesopotamia Auction", maybe... The only significant distinguishing elements of this so-called variant auction type are marginal, at best. Debate 木 13:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment And I'd like to say that searches for "Mesopotamian auction" and the like are just as unsatisfying as "Iraqi auction". --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 19:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• It isn't in Milgrom (I don't have it in front of me, but I would have remembered). It isn't in Klemperer. It isn't in The Origins of Value (although that isn't really about auctions, it delved into pricing schemes for crops and loans in mesopotamia enough that something like an Iraqi auction would have been mentioned. I removed Milgrom from the "further reading" section in order to eliminate the suggestion that the auction is in his book. Protonk (talk) 04:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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