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The result of the debate was Redirect to Big Brother (USA TV series). Fernando Rizo T/C 23:12, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another Big Brother competitor who is nn enough not to need their own article. Every attempt I have made to redirect this has been reverted. Zoe 05:33, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect unless it was a major feature (like a centrefold or something) in Playboy. --Apyule 06:44, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I think being on a well known show (more than token or minor appearance) of a major broadcast network is a straight forward keep. I base the keep only on that, since other than the one show, I'm not sure much of anything about her is verified, or will be till later. --rob 08:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • So an article on every Big Brother contestant in every season in every country in the world should be created? Zoe 08:39, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • Reply: This is no place to debate an issue not specific to this article. It was a mistake to call a vfd. A "mergeto" (or appropriate) tag should have been added to each unwanted contestant's article, which would then direct everybody to a single central talk page (for the show), to discuss and vote on the issue. A single approach should be established. --rob 11:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, people would want to be able to look her up, as is generally the case for Big Brother contestants. Kappa 09:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge all non-duplicated contents that are thought to be noteworthy into the Big Brother article, and redirect this page.—Encephalon | ^ζ  09:45:41, 2005-09-01 (UTC)
• Redirect all reality tv contestants that aren't winners or otherwise notable.--nixie 09:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to the relevant series, as per multiple precedents. Proto t c 10:02, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect, agree with nixie and Proto Peeper 14:37, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete nn WP is not a Who's Who DV8 2XL 13:03, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect as per precedent.--Scimitar ^parley 14:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep as per rob. Hall Monitor 20:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect (1st choice) or Delete (2nd choice) UniReb 21:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Create Big Brother contestants who we otherwise wouldn't have heard of (or maybe something slightly more appropriate) merge, and redirect. Alf 21:36, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect per precedent as Proto points out. Dottore So 01:47, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Either we keep this article, or we create one specific article called Big Brother USA contestants and put the descriptions of each houseguest there. I tried doing this once, but of course it was deleted. We could also create a different article for each season of Big Brother and we can describe each contestent there. This should be discussed in Talk:Big Brother (USA TV series) and a consensus should be reached. This VfD discussion keeps repeating itself in all the pages of all the contestents and it is going nowhere. Paul99 02:22, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - an article per series, with each individual contestant's name redirecting to that series's article is what is done with the UK version of Big Brother, and it works perfectly well. Proto t c 09:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Round and round we go. —RaD Man (talk) 06:45, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Subject has several things of note to name outside of being a BB contestant. Subject is extremely popular. Merging wouldn't be the worst case, but would make the original BB page too unwieldy very quickly. Not sure why Zoe has such a campaign against individual BB pages in the first place.--66.149.92.242 13:58, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because just being a contestant on a TV show does not make somebody notable, and once she's voted off, we will never hear of her again. Zoe 18:52, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
    • So you are a psychic, eh? Nice! Can you tell me who'd going to win the Superbowl this year by any chance?--66.149.92.242 20:00, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep certainly keep at least until and if she's evicted. She's got accomplishments other than being on Big Brother, and given the rating she has on CBS's site and that she won America's Choice I expect that CBS will be having her do other things one way or the other.--Firedrake 23:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • And how many of the other contestants from the US Big Brother have you ever heard of again? The only one I can even think of is Josh Sousa from BB1, who got into minor modeling and has now written a screenplay. Zoe 19:25, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
    • Lets see... there's Marcellas Reynolds, Will Wikle, and Alisun Irwin to name a few. But somehow I don't think YOUR or (or for that matter, MY) awareness of their activities after the show should be the standard for which they are judged. Kaysar's (the only one more popular than her this season) been on a soap so far after the show and is in talks about a possible spot on The Amazing Race. CBS isn't exactly stupid when it finds popular folks (See Rupert or Rob and Amber). I'll also note the season isn't even over yet and although the odds are against her, she may yet win.--Firedrake 19:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I know that Marcellas hosts CBS's online BB discussions, but what have Will Wilke and Alisun Irwin done? Zoe 21:15, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
        • Alisun and her boyfirend were on Amazing Race. Will writes on the CBS BB site as well as a few other reality TV sites. I'll grant you that if you aren't a BB fanatic you probably won't hear a lot about many of the non-winners. My main point is that neither of us would probably claim to hold the final ord on celebrity. I would say that she's known to enough folks and has done enough to earn her a few kbytes in Wiki. --Firedrake 22:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Wikipedia is not paper we have articles on characters from books, movies and television series, why not reality tv contestants? --JPotter 23:17, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not toilet paper either, the books will be here next year, the tv series will be repeated, reality contestants will mostly be forgotten next month. If not, then at that point they will be notable. --Doc (?) 21:20, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Ms. Pierzina is completely notable. Especially since she's made it so far in Big Brother 6. -- OldRight 22:05, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Janelle Pierzina is the people's favourite to win the show. Other members who have been evicted have their own section, why can't this very popular, athletic, smart girl have one? Besides she's got a story to tell.

Gian89 02:05, 5 September 2005(UTC)

• Strong Keep- Janelle is by far the most popular person left in the house and will be remembered (at least by series fans) for being one of the strongest, smartest, and most entertaining people ever to appear on the show. She has at this point secured a spot in at least the Final Four, and even if she doesn't win she deserves her own page for what she's added to the series (like Danielle Reyes). --PatadyBag 14:24, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Youngamerican 17:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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