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The result was delete.  Sandstein  05:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jiyul[edit]

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Singer of limited notability outside the group Dal Shabet - no significant claims outside the group. Tried redirecting, but a COI editor constantly reverted, so going this route. MikeWazowski (talk) 03:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page for the exact same reason:

Viki (singer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) MikeWazowski (talk) 04:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — I, Jethrobot drop me a line 04:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. — I, Jethrobot drop me a line 04:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Without commenting on the merits of the nomination, I would like to note that "snow delete" does not mean "I really think this should be deleted"; it means "I think the discussion should be closed early because there is no way it will survive, based on the way the vote is going." Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, my SNOW deletion was based on a lack of success at finding anything likely to support notability, which was consistent with the nominator. But you are correct, it should have waited, and the discussion should be given the appropriate amount of time to run its course. I, Jethrobot drop me a line 05:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately Tumblr is not a reliable source. Jiyul would have had to be covered by several reliable sources in order to be considered notable enough to warrant an article here. If you can find those sources, then the article can stay. Throwaway85 (talk) 09:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you click the links I posted, you can read about what kinds of sources are acceptable on Wikipedia. We can't use self-published material because it is neither neutral nor verifiable. We can only use secondary sources that have a reputation for editorial review. Thus, a magazine or newspaper article on the singer would qualify as a good reliable source, but the band's myspace or tumblr page would not. I know it seems like you should be able to add information that you know is true, but if everyone did that Wikipedia wouldn't be very useful, as everybody thinks different things are true. That's why we can only use reliable secondary sources. If you can't find any for Jiyul, then they might just not be notable enough yet to warrant having their own article. See WP:BAND for our policies on what makes an artist notable enough for an article. Throwaway85 (talk) 05:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, because Wikipedia content is entirely user-generated, and articles are in varying stages of development, a given subject's notability generally cannot be supported by existing content on Wikipedia. Also, singers don't have to win or get nominated for awards to be on Wikipedia, there are lots of other criteria that can be used instead. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 06:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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