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The result was redirect to Jan Skala. (non-admin closure) ansh666 21:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jugoslovenima[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG, per source searches. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:52, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:08, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:08, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:08, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This does not even assert notability, and Jan Skala is sadly a redlink (there are fair pl:Jan Skala and de:Jan Skala, both failing to even mention the poem). No such user (talk) 11:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I found and added some references strengthening the article. It's a notable author for sure, and his poem too.--109.245.77.165 (talk) 08:55, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. The Sorbian poetry collection edited by Predrag Piper is available online at Project Rastko. [1]. Along with Jugoslovenima (what would be Sorbian original?), it includes about a hundred poems, selected from thousands of Sorbian language poems, and millions of poems written in other languages. What makes this one stand out from the millions? I don't deny Skala is a notable author, but not every work (particularly a minor one, such as a poem) by a notable author is notable. No such user (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This article is notable because this poem is a part of his struggle for the national minorities rights in the German Reich. He has a notable place in the 20ieth century German and European history.--Vujkovica brdo (talk) 11:43, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  Vujkovica brdo, have you voted twice in this discussion? I find highly suspicious that your contributions on quite obscure articles are followed by a swarm of IPs from the 109.245.* range – apart from this page examples include B. Wongar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and K shortest path routing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), as well as Talk:Nikola Tesla and Talk:Ivo Andrić. While it is not illegal to edit while logged out, it is a blockable offense to do so to vote multiple times or to gain an upper hand in a debate. If the 109.245.77.165 IP above was yours, kindly strike one vote. Thanks. No such user (talk) 21:46, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or merge to Jan Skala because the article does not tell us why this poem is more important than any other individual poem (i.e., fails WP:N).  Sandstein  19:48, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Definitely, it does: The poem is a cry for help to the Yugoslav people to stop the German persecution on Sorbs in Lusatia. Now, about the notability. It was translated into Serbian and published in Летопис Матице српске - Volume 323 1930 - Page 264. First published in his book of poetry "Drobjence" ("The Crumbs") in 1920, then in Jan Skala, Ludowe nakładnistwo Domowina, 1985, mentioned/published in two other books (Peter Jan Joachim Kroh: Nationalistische Macht und nationale Minderheit: Jan Skala (1889-1945) : ein Sorbe in Deutschland, Robert Elsie: Anthology of Sorbian poetry: from the sixteenth century to the present day : a rock against these alien waves, UNESCO/Forest Books, 1990 )--Vujkovica brdo (talk) 14:52, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Jan Skala. The work is not individually notable per available sources. The fact that it appeared in an anthology is not sufficient to explain why this poem is notable. That would require secondary sources discussing why this work is important specifically. I don't see such sources yet. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:50, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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